Around the NHL (Part XIII): RIP Bob Suter

[RayP]

Mark me down as someone who would be willing to use the Hawks playing in Vegas as an excuse to take a trip out there. Absolutely.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Mark me down as someone who would be willing to use the Hawks playing in Vegas as an excuse to take a trip out there. Absolutely.

+1 I think they are going to sell a ton of tickets just from NHL fans touring Vegas. Vegas is very much part of the hockey fan culture.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Move Florida to Seattle, move Phoenix to Vegas, add Toronto and Quebec and move CLB back to the West.

That's what I would do.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Move Florida to Seattle, move Phoenix to Vegas, add Toronto and Quebec and move CLB back to the West.

That's what I would do.

More teams means more cap, A LOT more cap. I hope they do 4 new ones, not expecting more than 2 but would prefer 4. It only makes the Hawks that much better and makes the cap a thing of the past. It will be way too high to matter.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Duncs is already a bargain. I can't imagine what he'd be with more teams.

 

[Taze em]

More teams means more cap, A LOT more cap. I hope they do 4 new ones, not expecting more than 2 but would prefer 4. It only makes the Hawks that much better and makes the cap a thing of the past. It will be way too high to matter.

Very, very, astonishingly incorrect.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Very ignorant here, but wouldn't an addition of two/four teams mean that the league has to share revenue with more teams? Which sequentially means a lower salary cap?

 

[Kurtosis]

Very ignorant here, but wouldn't an addition of two/four teams mean that the league has to share revenue with more teams? Which sequentially means a lower salary cap?

They would also be bringing in more revenues.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Enough to where the other teams/NHL wouldn't have to support them?

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Enough to where the other teams/NHL wouldn't have to support them?

Teams in Toronto and QC would be more likely to fall into the give pool rather than the take pool.

 

[Taze em]

Very ignorant here, but wouldn't an addition of two/four teams mean that the league has to share revenue with more teams? Which sequentially means a lower salary cap?

My understanding of how this works

1) the owner of a new team pays ~$300M to join the league. This money is dispersed amongst the 30 existing owners. The 300m IS NOT part of HRR so goes right in the owners pockets, no increase to the cap/ sharing with the players
2) expansion draft: lock a certain number of players, everyone else goes into a draft. NHL teams can make trades with the expansion teams to not draft players.i also wonder how this could effect Hossa's recapture. He will be ready to retire, can we be like "hey, Las Vegas I'll give you Marian Hossa and a 1st for nothing, he's retiring now and you take the 4 M recapture penalty since you need to get to the floor anyways".
3) new team HRR isn't included in cap calculations. Basically for 2-3 years expansion teams operate completely independently so that their startup losses don't artificially bring down the cap

Correct me if I'm wrong on any points. I know HawksCap knows much more than I do.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

My understanding of how this works

1) the owner of a new team pays ~$300M to join the league. This money is dispersed amongst the 30 existing owners. The 300m IS NOT part of HRR so goes right in the owners pockets, no increase to the cap/ sharing with the players
2) expansion draft: lock a certain number of players, everyone else goes into a draft. NHL teams can make trades with the expansion teams to not draft players.i also wonder how this could effect Hossa's recapture. He will be ready to retire, can we be like "hey, Las Vegas I'll give you Marian Hossa and a 1st for nothing, he's retiring now and you take the 4 M recapture penalty since you need to get to the floor anyways".
3) new team HRR isn't included in cap calculations. Basically for 2-3 years expansion teams operate completely independently so that their startup losses don't artificially bring down the cap

Correct me if I'm wrong on any points. I know HawksCap knows much more than I do.

While this very well may be how they go about thing, we've never had expansion in the cap era so who actually knows what they do. But I like that idea.

 

[Kurtosis]

Enough to where the other teams/NHL wouldn't have to support them?

I would think so, especially with the markets proposed.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

More teams means more cap, A LOT more cap. I hope they do 4 new ones, not expecting more than 2 but would prefer 4. It only makes the Hawks that much better and makes the cap a thing of the past. It will be way too high to matter.

Higher cap means higher salaries. The cap will always matter because the players will keep getting raises.

 

[Taze em]

Quebec City and Toronto will be profitable fairly quickly. 2 years or so.

Seattle might be in that group, but I think they'll be a slower burn.

Las Vegas is completely a wild card. They will always be a taker.

BTW, 4 teams added at the same time would be insane, the Hawks, specifically will be in a lot of trouble in an expansion draft.

In the last draft 2 players per team were taken off the roster, this time it would be 4. If it was this year we'd probably lose Versteeg, Bickell, smith, Roszival or something like that.

 

[Kurtosis]

Quebec City and Toronto will be profitable fairly quickly. 2 years or so.

Seattle might be in that group, but I think they'll be a slower burn.

Las Vegas is completely a wild card. They will always be a taker.

BTW, 4 teams added at the same time would be insane, the Hawks, specifically will be in a lot of trouble in an expansion draft.

In the last draft 2 players per team were taken off the roster, this time it would be 4. If it was this year we'd probably lose Versteeg, Bickell, smith, Roszival or something like that.

I'd love to lose 3 of those 4.

 

[Ace Rothstein]

More teams means more cap, A LOT more cap. I hope they do 4 new ones, not expecting more than 2 but would prefer 4. It only makes the Hawks that much better and makes the cap a thing of the past. It will be way too high to matter.

You're making a big assumption that all expansion teams are going to add more revenue to the pot than the NHL average.

 

[Nothingman*]

I'd love to lose 3 of those 4.

yep!

 

[Taze em]

I'd love to lose 3 of those 4.

Except those 4 guys in 2017 will be Morin, Smith, Leddy, Hossa, Shaw etc.

It is a potential awesome solution to the Hossa recapture

 

[Kurtosis]

Except those 4 guys in 2017 will be Morin, Smith, Leddy, Hossa, Shaw etc.

It is a potential awesome solution to the Hossa recapture

I realize that.

I don't think you can definitively say who the guys would be in 2017. The NHL is much too fluid. It would be a nice solution to the Hossa situation though.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Good way to dump Crawford if we decide to go in a different direction behind the net, too.

 

[Kurtosis]

It would be a blessing no doubt (in disguise or otherwise).

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

It would be pretty awkward if he wasn't picked up

 

[Kurtosis]

It would be pretty awkward if he wasn't picked up

Yeah, it would be super awkward. To be a fly on the wall in that situation...

 

[Taze em]

I guess I just don't want the NHL ecosystem to change because the Hawks and LA are dominating it the way things are right now.