Around the NHL: Part XIII – Lamie Benn Edition

[PlamsUnlimited]

I think that was the worst important missed call I've ever seen

I can think of one

 

[Leetch3]

I thought all scoring plays were reviewed by Toronto

the scoring play of karlsson shooting the puck into the net would be reviewed and there is nothing questionable about it. the hand pass prior to isn't...officials on the ice have to call it

 

[trilobyte]

People keep talking about existing rules as an overriding reason. "fficials have to call the hand pass, so that is why it is okay that the fact they effed up is permissible", etc.
Sounds like a Fellini movie.
Why doesn't the NHL fix their stupid rules and enable the 'war room' to actually be that assistant to officiating that they claim to be?

 

[Tob]

add more officials to ref the game. Rappel and suspend one hybrid ref/linesman 50 feet above center ice and someone can control them and spin them to face the active defensive zone. Attach a ref to the netting behind the goal on both ends 30 feet above ice level for perfect birds eye view of the play. Give them the ability to press a button and sound the horn to stop play.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Video review has to be available in order to rectify that horrible lack of on-ice officiating that allowed that game winning goal.
What good is saying that the worst transgression is not reviewable? What a bunch of dimwits!!! WTF!!

The whole point of Video Review is to remediate and rectify problems. Why would you not want to fix something like a hand pass that DIRECTLY led to a game winning goal???!!

Because the phrase “directly leads to a goal” is subjective to me. In this case, sure it had a major impact. But what happens if a hand pass is made earlier in a shift and a goal is ultimately scored? Doesn’t that “directly lead to a goal?”

I’m more concerned about how downright horrid the officiating is. Maybe there needs to be a substantial change to the process in that the 2nd on ice official is moved off ice or they simply add a 3rd off ice official. I don’t know what needs to be done but that seems like a far bigger issue rather than screaming for replay any time there’s a bad call made because we’re heading to the path where every goal will be reviewed for some reason.

 

[archanfelnsx]

Jumped on the Sharks board and man, their fans are dumb as rocks. Some of them claim that the hand pass was an accident, others say that the hand pass went off a Blues player and that Nyquist didn’t touch it. Delusional fan base, just for that I hope the Blues come back and win the series. f*** the whole “Win it for Jumbo Joe” bullshit.

 

[trilobyte]

Because the phrase “directly leads to a goal” is subjective to me. In this case, sure it had a major impact. But what happens if a hand pass is made earlier in a shift and a goal is ultimately scored? Doesn’t that “directly lead to a goal?”

I’m more concerned about how downright horrid the officiating is. Maybe there needs to be a substantial change to the process in that the 2nd on ice official is moved off ice or they simply add a 3rd off ice official. I don’t know what needs to be done but that seems like a far bigger issue rather than screaming for replay any time there’s a bad call made because we’re heading to the path where every goal will be reviewed for some reason.

I know, the devil is in the details, but the NHL is doing a very poor job of helping themselves. How about starting with the obvious?
If a person watched their first hockey game and saw that hand pass for the goal, they would think "cool game, you can just get that puck over any way you like".
My only conclusion is that it simply is not that important to the NHL, i.e. the real powerbrokers who obviously are the BOG. Should they ever show signs of actually caring about the integrity of officiating, I would be happy. I won't bother expecting it, though.

 

[Bob Richards]

add more officials to ref the game. Rappel and suspend one hybrid ref/linesman 50 feet above center ice and someone can control them and spin them to face the active defensive zone. Attach a ref to the netting behind the goal on both ends 30 feet above ice level for perfect birds eye view of the play. Give them the ability to press a button and sound the horn to stop play.

Back in the old, OLD days of baseball if the Umpire wasn't sure about a catch he could ask fans in attendance for their opinion and view on the call

Not only should this be introduced into modern hockey, but they could market the premiere fan experience through it and this would absolutely have 0 negative repercussions. Not one.

 

[Tob]

Whatever the solution is, we need less challenges and more NHL situation room getting involved. More accurate, more consistent, and faster. Not sure if hand passes and major penalties warrant intervention. It's too hands on. There have always been bad calls and will always be those. Maybe add a major penalty/hand pass/off side to the same challenge and give it all to the situation room to decide. Ease up on the definition of offside and let teams know if they're not sure, don't call it cus if we're not sure, we're not reversing the call.

 

[trilobyte]

Whatever the solution is, we need less challenges and more NHL situation room getting involved. More accurate, more consistent, and faster. Not sure if hand passes and major penalties warrant intervention. It's too hands on. There have always been bad calls and will always be those. Maybe add a major penalty/hand pass/off side to the same challenge and give it all to the situation room to decide. Ease up on the definition of offside and let teams know if they're not sure, don't call it cus if we're not sure, we're not reversing the call.

Most people would agree that a game deciding goal should warrant review. I am not at all a proponent of the reviews (for example, I would like the offside review jettisoned forever) but a suspicious game winning goal such as tonight's is easily reviewable. There is zero good intention in not wanting to do so.

 

[Leetch3]

 

[bl02]

Laila was stripped of seeing a win. Bullshit. How many game deciding calls are the Sharks gonna get?! At this point rooting for them is worse than rooting for the Kings after that disaster of a non-call on goalie interference in 2014.

 

[bl02]

The Snakes head should have been cut off round 1. Vegas and the Refs...idiots

 

[wafflepadsave]

People keep talking about existing rules as an overriding reason. "fficials have to call the hand pass, so that is why it is okay that the fact they effed up is permissible", etc.
Sounds like a Fellini movie.
Why doesn't the NHL fix their stupid rules and enable the 'war room' to actually be that assistant to officiating that they claim to be?

MSN I said some pages back that the nhl wants Boston and San Jose in the final for the ratings but damn, that’s blatant!
How many times have we seen Pittsburgh get phantom calls out of blue? Remember the offsides goal that took the life out of Nashville two years ago?

 

[TheDirtyH]

I mean, if the refs had called the Blues on the delay of game penalty they definitely took late in the second, the Sharks are on the Powerplay when Perron scores to tie it...

this is hockey, every game something like this happens. bottom line is that Nyqvist still had to get that puck to Karlsson and Karlsson still had to shoot it through Binnington to win it...

 

[bl02]

MSN I said some pages back that the nhl wants Boston and San Jose in the final for the ratings but damn, that’s blatant!
How many times have we seen Pittsburgh get phantom calls out of blue? Remember the offsides goal that took the life out of Nashville two years ago?

Exactly! and this is an overtime goal. Nothing bigger! If this happened to us in a Conference final we would be all livid beyond belief.

 

[trilobyte]

I mean, if the refs had called the Blues on the delay of game penalty they definitely took late in the second, the Sharks are on the Powerplay when Perron scores to tie it...

this is hockey, every game something like this happens. bottom line is that Nyqvist still had to get that puck to Karlsson and Karlsson still had to shoot it through Binnington to win it...

I guess we all know that you can't get everything right in real-time. Sports is sports and hockey is probably the toughest for a referree.
But... they have to find a way to fix a debacle like not catching the breaking of a foundation of the game...you don't get to pass the puck with your hand.
Shame on the NHL for not getting things right when they have all the tools in the world to do so.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I guess we all know that you can't get everything right in real-time. Sports is sports and hockey is probably the toughest for a referree.
But... they have to find a way to fix a debacle like not catching the breaking of a foundation of the game...you don't get to pass the puck with your hand.
Shame on the NHL for not getting things right when they have all the tools in the world to do so.

it just happens. and frankly the more that cameras, replays, and the like get involved the worse the presentation of the sport gets. would coaches' challenges have helped us in the finals when Dwight King runs over Lundqvist? Yes. But then, we all have seen how these things actually affect the game.

Controversy, luck, and missed calls are a part of the sport. anyone who lives and dies on them does a disservice to the athletes and the game itself. Like, it's unfathomable that the Blues beat Winnipeg and Dallas without a call or two going their way. The Bruins might've lost in the first round had Kadri not gotten suspended. IDK, the hot takes are killing me. To see Pietrangelo say 'the rules only count for one team,' comes off pretty pathetic to me. Jumbo Joe said it best. 4-3, onto game four.

 

[darko]

I actually got a site loading error because this call generated so much traffic lmao

This site is doomed come draft time.

 

[trilobyte]

it just happens. and frankly the more that cameras, replays, and the like get involved the worse the presentation of the sport gets. would coaches' challenges have helped us in the finals when Dwight King runs over Lundqvist? Yes. But then, we all have seen how these things actually affect the game.

Controversy, luck, and missed calls are a part of the sport. anyone who lives and dies on them does a disservice to the athletes and the game itself. Like, it's unfathomable that the Blues beat Winnipeg and Dallas without a call or two going their way. The Bruins might've lost in the first round had Kadri not gotten suspended. IDK, the hot takes are killing me. To see Pietrangelo say 'the rules only count for one team,' comes off pretty pathetic to me. Jumbo Joe said it best. 4-3, onto game four.

I get what you are saying.
My own take has consitently been to fix the big stuff when you have a chance. Tonight, that goal, that was big stuff. I will never not be pissed off at the NHL's refusals to easily fix the big stuff. I'm not a booster of status quo for the sake of laziness or reluctance.

As Joe says, on we go.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I think that was the worst important missed call I've ever seen

Brett Hull's foot in the crease may forever hold this honour.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I get what you are saying.
My own take has consitently been to fix the big stuff when you have a chance. Tonight, that goal, that was big stuff. I will never not be pissed off at the NHL's refusals to easily fix the big stuff. I'm not a booster of status quo for the sake of laziness or reluctance.

As Joe says, on we go.

as far as tonight's goal: for me, a play like Mier made is just a play. like Messier's famous butt-ends. it's part of hockey to try to do whatever it takes, to cross the line, to try to make a play even if it's not in the rule book. and it's annoying to see the 'rule book' become so important on a broken, marginal play like that, followed by the rule book being enemy number one when it says that play isn't reviewable.

it's just my opinion, but I don't mind a play like Mier made. If a puck goes off a refs skate and bounces to Nyqvist, that would be way more frustrating, but to me, similarly fair play.

that said, what you're saying's very fair. I dont mean to make it seem like I'm targeting you, just talking, airing out frustration. I don't think you've said anything unreasonable.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

A hand pass is not reviewable but it should be in a situation where it leads to a goal. However, St Louis had a call go their way with the whole Bishop situation so they should just suck it up. Things happen.

 

[n8]

The question I have is slashing your stick towards the ref a suspendable offense?

 

[RangerBoy]

Did someone in the NHL make a big wager on the Sharks? Every big call goes their way. The NHL has an officiating issue. They have 4 officials on the ice. Nobody saw the hand pass. None of them saw the Pavelski play. They saw Pavelski laying on the ice with blood coming out of his helmet and gave a 5 minute major. The offside call in game 7 against the Avs. Three big plays all went the Sharks way. They can review the offside play but not the hand pass.

In the Boston-Columbus series, the puck hit the net and Columbus scored a goal. Four officials missed the puck hitting the protective netting. They didn't blow the whistle. Columbus scored in the sequence. The puck hitting the net can't be reviewed.