Around the NHL: Part VII – Sweeps and Suspensions (Mod Warning Post #249)

[TheBloodyNine]

Yeah not going to lie, the whole, “Well we won the 2nd overall so screw everything else” mentality just doesn’t work for me.

These things do matter and they’re not small differences. Especially to a rebuilding team.

Not going to lose sleep over it, but also not going to pretend it’s the difference between picking 150th and 140th either.

Look at it this way then - teams that win always find guys in the later rounds. Good to have a couple of 2nds then.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Shattenkirk and Smith aren't even on the same planet as Karlsson, to say nothing of the fact that Shattenkirk took a discount so that he could play for his childhood team. Matthews and Nylander were RFAs. JVR also not as good at his job as Karlsson is at his. None of those are comparable.

Must have missed the point where I said "Different situations for all of them, but"

3-4 years ago, these type of contracts would be 6-7 years easily. GMs are changing their attitude in negotiations. They aren't committing to players as easily as they did a few years ago

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Must have missed the point where I said "Different situations for all of them, but"

3-4 years ago, these type of contracts would be 6-7 years easily. GMs are changing their attitude in negotiations. They aren't committing to players as easily as they did a few years ago

Erik Karlsson, regardless of anything, is getting 7 years from a team if he doesn't sign with the Sharks, in which he'll get 8. Exactly, different situations, which means none of the players you mentioned getting shorter term deals are comparable. Karlsson is more comparable to Tavares than he is Shattenkirk.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Karlsson wil get his 7 years.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Erik Karlsson, regardless of anything, is getting 7 years from a team if he doesn't sign with the Sharks, in which he'll get 8. Exactly, different situations, which means none of the players you mentioned getting shorter term deals are comparable. Karlsson is more comparable to Tavares than he is Shattenkirk.

It's not impossible, but there is definitely a trend noticeable of GMs not offering 7 or 8-year deals as easily as a few years ago.

 

[will1066]

Yeah not going to lie, the whole, “Well we won the 2nd overall so screw everything else” mentality just doesn’t work for me.

These things do matter and they’re not small differences. Especially to a rebuilding team.

Not going to lose sleep over it, but also not going to pretend it’s the difference between picking 150th and 140th either.

I didn't lose sleep over it. As to the this is bad for the tank narrative, i say whatever. Out of our control. We didnt ask Tampa to suddenly have a schizoid embolism.

 

[eco's bones]

Tampa's not really going to be able to hold their team together because they've got $6 mil to work with an a few rfa's this off season--in particular Brayden Point who I assume they'll want to give a lot of money and term to and then next year there's Vasilevskiy, Sergachev, Cernak and Cirelli.

No doubt about them needing to find a taker for Callahan but they're going to have to look at other options as well. They're also going to be redoing their D--I don't think they can afford to re-sign Stralman and guys like Girardi and Coburn are now done. What they have to replace them is kind of questionable but Foote will probably be one guy.

So besides Callahan and letting half of their defense walk this off season they're going to need to cut more bait. They have a lot of long term dollars into guys like Killorn, Johnson, Palat, Miller and I suspect they're going to be looking to move some and if necessary all of these guys. That might not be easy to do. While none of these contracts is really toxic--none of them are all that friendly for the current value of the player and Killorn, Johnson and Palat aren't exactly young anymore.

IMO the Lighting will probably have another great regular season next year but their window to win a Cup might be a lot smaller than what most think.

 

[Edge]

It's not impossible, but there is definitely a trend noticeable of GMs not offering 7 or 8-year deals as easily as a few years ago.

7 or 8 years is a long time in any sport, especially hockey. It's risky enough to go down that path with someone in their early to mid 20s. When you start talking about UFAs in their late 20s, and contracts that extend until they are in their mid-30s, it's going to give a lot of GMs pause.

And it's the market for the very good, but note elite players that gets tricky. You can make an argument that the elite guys/the stars could be worth the investment, but when you start getting into the tiers just below that, it gets tricky.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Getting the 2nd overall pick was obviously us selling our soul to the Devil. We can never have TOO many nice things, we’re the Rangers.

Isles are beating WPG in the SCF and Zucc is signing with NJ.

 

[Edge]

I didn't lose sleep over it. As to the this is bad for the tank narrative, i say whatever. Out of our control. We didnt ask Tampa to suddenly have a schizoid embolism.

Yeah, I get that.

But I also have to tell you that the "out of our control narrative" also drives me bonkers. I mean, where does that end?

Literally EVERYTHING involving this team is out of our control, from the in-game results, to the standings, to the playoffs, to the drafting, to the signings, to the way players age, to the coaches we hire.

But it seems like when we want to dismiss something we go with, "Well it's out of my control." And yet this board is filled with tens of thousands of pages discussing things that are out of our control.

If that's the case, why do we post on anything? Why root for anything either? Afterall, we're all just passengers on a train with no control over it's destination or speed.

I mean if some people are apathetic to these things, so be it, "that's out of my control."

We don't have to dwell on it per se, but I don't know if I'd actively root against it or outright dismiss it either.

I'll be blunt, I think it's pretty shortsighted. Especially for a team that's trying to do what the Rangers are trying to do.

 

[Leonardo87]

I hope we avoid Karlsson like the plague. Too many injuries, too much money,not the same player. Move on

EK’s value dropping like a boat anchor in the water.

 

[Fugazy]

Karlsson wil get his 7 years.

I pray not from us.

 

[Leetch3]

would have loved another 1st but i couldn't have scripted a better way for tampa to get embarassed...couldn't have happened to a more unlikable group

 

[Off Sides]

Someone call that gambling addiction hotline for Gorton, instead of taking the best trade package available he is going all crazy on conditionals.

All those times we suspected he was just sleeping behind the wheel, he was probably really in Monte Carlo playing high roller craps.

I'm surprised the Rangers were able to even add one additional 1st round pick over 3 drafts, how he returned four additional 1sts with no conditions attached.. the other GMs probably felt bad for him and his gambling addiction.

 

[Leetch3]

Must have missed the point where I said "Different situations for all of them, but"

3-4 years ago, these type of contracts would be 6-7 years easily. GMs are changing their attitude in negotiations. They aren't committing to players as easily as they did a few years ago

considering we won't be good for atleast 2 more years, not sure signing anyone for 3 years makes that much sense.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

We're definitely getting a NYI-TOR ECF, and the amount of hate spewed back and forth between Isles and Leafs fans will be so massive that it'll cause the earth to collapse into a massive black hole.

And I hope both teams and their fans are sucked into that black hole.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

considering we won't be good for atleast 2 more years, not sure signing anyone for 3 years makes that much sense.

If we don't go after Karlsson, and miss out on Panarin, we have a lot of cap space to play with. And I don't see Gorton caving and giving Karlsson a long-term deal

 

[Zibanejbread]

Someone call that gambling addiction hotline for Gorton, instead of taking the best trade package available he is going all crazy on conditionals.

All those times we suspected he was just sleeping behind the wheel, he was probably really in Monte Carlo playing high roller craps.

I'm surprised the Rangers were able to even add one additional 1st round pick over 3 drafts, how he returned four additional 1sts with no conditions attached.. the other GMs probably felt bad for him and his gambling addiction.

What were the better offers that were available?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What were the better offers that were available?

There weren't any, except in the delusional minds of fans who think Zuccarello was worth as much as Mark Stone

 

[darko]

Tampa's not really going to be able to hold their team together because they've got $6 mil to work with an a few rfa's this off season--in particular Brayden Point who I assume they'll want to give a lot of money and term to and then next year there's Vasilevskiy, Sergachev, Cernak and Cirelli.

No doubt about them needing to find a taker for Callahan but they're going to have to look at other options as well. They're also going to be redoing their D--I don't think they can afford to re-sign Stralman and guys like Girardi and Coburn are now done. What they have to replace them is kind of questionable but Foote will probably be one guy.

So besides Callahan and letting half of their defense walk this off season they're going to need to cut more bait. They have a lot of long term dollars into guys like Killorn, Johnson, Palat, Miller and I suspect they're going to be looking to move some and if necessary all of these guys. That might not be easy to do. While none of these contracts is really toxic--none of them are all that friendly for the current value of the player and Killorn, Johnson and Palat aren't exactly young anymore.

IMO the Lighting will probably have another great regular season next year but their window to win a Cup might be a lot smaller than what most think.

They can give us their 1st rounder for taking on Callahan.

 

[Leonardo87]

This is hilarious and sad..

 

[NYR Viper]

They can give us their 1st rounder for taking on Callahan.

Hell, I'd probably take their 2nd rounder next year to take Callahan if they are against moving their 1st rounder.

 

[Off Sides]

What were the better offers that were available?

Just being sarcastic, it seems there is some thoughts that Gorton would rather gamble on conditionals than take back a known commodity.

 

[Tawnos]

Yeah, I get that.

But I also have to tell you that the "out of our control narrative" also drives me bonkers. I mean, where does that end?

Literally EVERYTHING involving this team is out of our control, from the in-game results, to the standings, to the playoffs, to the drafting, to the signings, to the way players age, to the coaches we hire.

But it seems like when we want to dismiss something we go with, "Well it's out of my control." And yet this board is filled with tens of thousands of pages discussing things that are out of our control.

If that's the case, why do we post on anything? Why root for anything either? Afterall, we're all just passengers on a train with no control over it's destination or speed.

I mean if some people are apathetic to these things, so be it, "that's out of my control."

We don't have to dwell on it per se, but I don't know if I'd actively root against it or outright dismiss it either.

I'll be blunt, I think it's pretty shortsighted. Especially for a team that's trying to do what the Rangers are trying to do.

This is why I very rarely talk about what I want the team to do or what I would do if I was in charge. It's usually only analysis and judgment, which I also try to look at more from the team's perspective than my own. What are they trying to do and did it work?

 

[TheTimTamSlammerMan]

So lucky to have Quinn as our coach. You know hes gonna have our players play their asses off in the playoffs. Cooper is a disgrace.