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Fitzy said:
Sounds like we're going to 4 conferences.
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Two conferences, four divisions.

Two round divisional playoffs with potential for crossover if both wild card teams are from the same division. Division leader with more points plays wild card with less point. (I believe that if the 4th place teams in each division get the wild card spot, they stay within their division regardless of points). Division finals winner plays intraconference division final winner in conference finals.

For us: home-and-home vs all Western teams. 3 games against all "Central Division" teams. 4 or 5 games vs divisional opponents. (unless they changed the scheduling matrix again)

I'm happy about this for a lot of reasons. I love playing our divisional rivals, but as a hockey fan, I want to see every team every year. Of the teams moving east, we got the weaker opponent in our division (Columbus). And the playoff structure is what I've wanted for years. I really dislike that we have an Atlantic Division champions banner for last year because we had the most points. Bring back the true divisional championships.

What don't I like? Why the **** is there a division in the Eastern Conference that is entirely in the Eastern Time Zone but is called the Central? Meanwhile, there's a division that has 6/7 teams in the Central Time Zone. Best idea I heard on that was to call the conferences by their old names (Campbell and Wales) and have Western, Central, Eastern, and Atlantic divisions.
 
-31- said:
16 team conference.... Lot a sense there.
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They're both going to be 16 team conferences pretty soon (I'd guess within 5 years. Just as likely to be 3). It makes sense right now because there are 16 teams in the ETZ.

The difference in probability for making the playoffs between now and next year is 3% (currently, 53% of teams make the playoffs. Next year it will be 50%).

The competitive unbalance makes more sense than the current travel and TV schedule unbalance.
 
Hello new division friends. Look forward to seeing Nash and the gang in Nationwide next year.
 
CBJBrassard16 said:
Hello new division friends. Look forward to seeing Nash and the gang in Nationwide next year.
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Hello.

Your avatar still makes me sad.

You should know that this team loves letting former Rangers score, so like half your team will have no problem scoring against us. :)
 
CBJBrassard16 said:
Hello new division friends. Look forward to seeing Nash and the gang in Nationwide next year.
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You probably don't know one of the curses of being a fan of the NY Rangers. I'll help you out.

Expect to see a lot of goals by Dubinsky, Anisimov and Tyutin against the Rangers.
 
Tawnos said:
They're both going to be 16 team conferences pretty soon (I'd guess within 5 years. Just as likely to be 3). It makes sense right now because there are 16 teams in the ETZ.

The difference in probability for making the playoffs between now and next year is 3% (currently, 53% of teams make the playoffs. Next year it will be 50%).

The competitive unbalance makes more sense than the current travel and TV schedule unbalance.
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And there will be a 7% difference between the East and the West.

If the teams that come are Markham and Quebec, are they going to have an 18 team Eastern Conference and a 14 team West?

If Detroit played in the Mid-West division there would be 6 teams with a 1 hour time difference and 1 with a two hour difference.
 
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And there will be a 7% difference between the East and the West.

If the teams that come are Markham and Quebec, are they going to have an 18 team Eastern Conference and a 14 team West?

If Detroit played in the Mid-West division there would be 6 teams with a 1 hour time difference and 1 with a two hour difference.
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If there are two teams expanded in the East, they'll address alignment then. Not a big deal right now.

That 7% stat is meaningless. Teams in the East aren't competing for spots with teams from the West.

If the goal is to not have any teams with a 2 hour time difference in a division, then your last thought is out the window. Right now, this alignment makes the MOST sense, even if it doesn't make perfect sense.
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
Hello.

Your avatar still makes me sad.

You should know that this team loves letting former Rangers score, so like half your team will have no problem scoring against us. :)
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Haha. Can't say I would complain :sarcasm:

Tawnos said:
You probably don't know one of the curses of being a fan of the NY Rangers. I'll help you out.

Expect to see a lot of goals by Dubinsky, Anisimov and Tyutin against the Rangers.
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What, no love for Tim Erixon? ;)

Fitzy said:
Friendliest division rivalry of all time, I think.
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The games haven't been played yet. When Nash scores against us it could get messy. :)
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
Hello.

Your avatar still makes me sad.

You should know that this team loves letting former Rangers score, so like half your team will have no problem scoring against us. :)
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Agreed Monsters Inc is GOAT.

I miss Anisimov a lot and I'm glad I'll get to watch him more.
 
I think that Erixon lit up our farm team, the Whale in every game they played against Springfield. So there's that.
 
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Ummm, what?
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If they were competing with each other for playoff berths, it would make a difference that the numbers are different. As it is, every team in the East has the same 50% probability. Every team in the West has the same 57% probability. As long as the teams you are competing against have the same odds, the competitive unbalance doesn't really exist.
 
Tawnos said:
If they were competing with each other for playoff berths, it would make a difference that the numbers are different. As it is, every team in the East has the 50% probability. Every team in the West has a 57% probability. As long as the teams you are competing against have the same odds, the competitive unbalance doesn't really exist.
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But the teams in the West have a higher probability of getting into the playoffs than the teams in the East, because in the West, a team is only fighting with 13 other teams, while in the East, a team will be fighting with 15 teams.
 
Tawnos said:
If they were competing with each other for playoff berths, it would make a difference that the numbers are different. As it is, every team in the East has the same 50% probability. Every team in the West has the same 57% probability. As long as the teams you are competing against have the same odds, the competitive unbalance doesn't really exist.
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Yeah, not seeing it.

The same principle would apply if there was an 8 team West and a 22 team East. Would you be cool with that too?
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
But the teams in the West have a higher probability of getting into the playoffs than the teams in the East, because in the West, a team is only fighting with 13 other teams, while in the East, a team will be fighting with 15 teams.
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They aren't competing against teams in the East. The probability is higher, but the stat is meaningless.
 
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Yeah, not seeing it.

The same principle would apply if there was an 8 team West and a 22 team East. Would you be cool with that too?
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In that scenario, 4 teams would be making it from the West and 12 from the East. So yeah, I'd be fine.
 
Tawnos said:
In that scenario, 4 teams would be making it from the West and 12 from the East. So yeah, I'd be fine.
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No, 2 4 team divisions in the West, 2 11 team divisions in the East.

West teams have a 100% chance of making the playoffs. East teams have a 36% chance. But they're not competing with each other.
 
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No, 2 4 team divisions in the West, 2 11 team divisions in the East.

West teams have a 100% chance of making the playoffs. East teams have a 36% chance. But they're not competing with each other.
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By all means, let's keep talking about meaningless things.
 
-31- said:
So you admit you're point was meaningless, and it is unfair?
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No, I mean the initial stat is meaningless and your scenario is meaningless.

Just because something becomes meaningless when taken to an extreme doesn't mean it's meaningless when applied in a real scenario.
 
Tawnos said:
No, I mean the initial stat is meaningless and your scenario is meaningless.

Just because something becomes meaningless when taken to an extreme doesn't mean it's meaningless when applied in a real scenario.
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Please help me understand. Why would 57%/50% be totally fair, but not 100%/36%? Why does your principle apply in one but not the other?
 
-31- said:
Please help me understand. Why would 57%/50% be totally fair, but not 100%/36%? Why does your principle apply in one but not the other?
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Most statistical models lose significance when taken to a certain, unrealistic extreme.

Why should this one be any different?
 
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