Around the NHL: Part IV

[GoAwayPanarin]

All of the lousy teams suck. The Rangers are 2-6-5 on their last 13 games and they have barely moved down in the standings.

All those teams are out of reach outside of Buffalo (barely ahead) and Possibly NJ if they get their act together over the last 10.

The important thing is that they've been bad enough for other teams to catch up to them, pass them or create some separation. It's going to be very hard for them to f*** up their positioning unless they go full NYR puck luck these last 10.

 

[Ghost of jas]

All those teams are out of reach outside of Buffalo (barely ahead) and Possibly NJ if they get their act together over the last 10.

The important thing is that they've been bad enough for other teams to catch up to them, pass them or create some separation. It's going to be very hard for them to **** up their positioning unless they go full NYR puck luck these last 10.

It’s been a slow crawl, but the Rangers have made their way to just about the bottom five.

 

[Leonardo87]

Stars need a healthy Bishop.

Dude can’t stay healthy.

 

[Trxjw]

Speaking of not hot, Jonathan Drouin has 4 points in his last 16 and they all came in one game. Fans are gonna ride him out of town

 

[broadwayblue]

It’s been a slow crawl, but the Rangers have made their way to just about the bottom five.

Outside of winning a top 3 lottery pick it looks like we'll be picking outside the top 5. While technically we could grab 5th overall, it seems more likely we'll end up at 7 or 8.

 

[Tawnos]

Outside of winning a top 3 lottery pick it looks like we'll be picking outside the top 5. While technically we could grab 5th overall, it seems more likely we'll end up at 7 or 8.

Right. Even if we do end up 5th from the bottom, there’s a decent chance someone below us in the order will win a lottery spot, pushing us down at least one.

 

[Edge]

Outside of winning a top 3 lottery pick it looks like we'll be picking outside the top 5. While technically we could grab 5th overall, it seems more likely we'll end up at 7 or 8.

I do have to chuckle at what we expect as Rangers fans --- which is to get screwed in the end.

Don't get me wrong, that approach is understandable and usually warranted. But it is funny to read when we currently sit tied for 5th. We're so pessimistic we just skip over 6 altogether and go right for the 7/8 slot.

 

[broadwayblue]

I do have to chuckle at what we expect as Rangers fans --- which is to get screwed in the end.

Don't get me wrong, that approach is understandable and usually warranted. But it is funny to read when we currently sit tied for 5th. We're so pessimistic we just skip over 6 altogether and go right for the 7/8 slot.

I don't think we're being pessimistic to think we'll finish with the 7th or 8th spot. Yes, we're currently sitting tied for the 5th spot. But that's really the best possible finish outside of winning a lottery pick. And we have two games in hand on the Ducks. And there are three more teams within 2 points of us. So basically 5th is the best and 9th is the worst we can finish the regular season (assuming you exclude Colorado and Chicago from the conversation...which maybe we shouldn't). If you are optimistic you would say 6 or 7 is a pretty good spot. And then you have the lottery where maybe we can jump to the top 3...but odds are more likely we actually drop a spot to 7 or 8. Do you disagree?

 

[LORDE]

I do have to chuckle at what we expect as Rangers fans --- which is to get screwed in the end.

Don't get me wrong, that approach is understandable and usually warranted. But it is funny to read when we currently sit tied for 5th. We're so pessimistic we just skip over 6 altogether and go right for the 7/8 slot.

We are all WELL aware of who and what we are.

There's literally no chance we win the lottery, and almost guaranteed to drop. It's the way of the Rongos

 

[broadwayblue]

We are all WELL aware of who and what we are.

There's literally no chance we win the lottery, and almost guaranteed to drop. It's the way of the Rongos

If by literally no chance you mean 23% then, yes, we are not likely to win the lottery. But the odds are more likely that we drop a spot.

 

[Edge]

I don't think we're being pessimistic to think we'll finish with the 7th or 8th spot. Yes, we're currently sitting tied for the 5th spot. But that's really the best possible finish outside of winning a lottery pick. And we have two games in hand on the Ducks. And there are three more teams within 2 points of us. So basically 5th is the best and 9th is the worst we can finish the regular season (assuming you exclude Colorado and Chicago from the conversation...which maybe we shouldn't). If you are optimistic you would say 6 or 7 is a pretty good spot. And then you have the lottery where maybe we can jump to the top 3...but odds are more likely we actually drop a spot to 7 or 8. Do you disagree?

It's not really an argument for me, so much as it amuses me.

I think the Ducks, even with two games in hand are trending very differently from us.

And even with dropping, I don't know if we go all the way to 8th.

It's like we've already given up on even a moderately positive outcome, but view one of the worst as being our destiny. Essentially if we're in the fifth spot, we have 26 percent chance of landing in the top 3, and a 43 percent chance of picking fifth of sixth. So basically a 70 percent chance of picking 6th or higher.

I mean even at the 6th spot, there's basically a 40 percent chance of picking 6th or higher, and 78 percent chance we're 7th or higher. So the 8 seems funny.

And no matter where we pick, the drop will move to one spot ahead of us.

Like I said, I get it. But after seeing it several times, it does make me laugh a little.

 

[broadwayblue]

It's not really an argument for me, so much as it amuses me.

I think the Ducks, even with two games in hand are trending very differently from us.

And even with dropping, I don't know if we go all the way to 8th.

It's like we've already given up on even a moderately positive outcome, but view one of the worst as being our destiny. Essentially if we're in the fifth spot, we have 26 percent chance of landing in the top 3, and a 43 percent chance of picking fifth of sixth. So basically a 70 percent chance of picking 6th or higher.

I mean even at the 6th spot, there's basically a 40 percent chance of picking 6th or higher, and 78 percent chance we're 7th or higher. So the 8 seems funny.

And no matter where we pick, the drop will move to one spot ahead of us.

Like I said, I get it. But after seeing it several times, it does make me laugh a little.

I hope you're right and the odds work out in our favor. That said I still think a moderately positive outcome is us picking 6th or 7th considering where we sit now relative to other teams.

 

[Leonardo87]

JT Miller is having his worst offensive season since his 3rd year with the Rangers, while skating with guys like Stamkos, Kucherov, and Point for most of the season. How does that happen?

 

[LORDE]

If by literally no chance you mean 23% then, yes, we are not likely to win the lottery. But the odds are more likely that we drop a spot.

I was speaking as a NYR fan having lived through 40 years of cursed disappointment, save for one... speaking as one of the downtrodden and wretched.

I was not speaking in literal terms.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

JT Miller is having his worst offensive season since his 3rd year with the Rangers, while skating with guys like Stamkos, Kucherov, and Point for most of the season. How does that happen?

Onion rings

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I was speaking as a NYR fan having lived through 40 years of cursed disappointment, save for one... speaking as one of the downtrodden and wretched.

I was not speaking in literal terms.

We sacrificed a hobbit this year though.

Our luck is about to change.

 

[NYR94]

JT Miller is having his worst offensive season since his 3rd year with the Rangers, while skating with guys like Stamkos, Kucherov, and Point for most of the season. How does that happen?

Yeah, weird player. Kinda streaky. I was looking at shift charts from earlier in the year and he's played some games on the 4th line. I don't think he gets first line power play minutes either.

 

[Leonardo87]

Yeah, weird player. Kinda streaky. I was looking at shift charts from earlier in the year and he's played some games on the 4th line. I don't think he gets first line power play minutes either.

He was for most of the season on the 1st PP unit. Tampa really only has one unit, the other unit just eats up time.

 

[Edge]

We sacrificed a hobbit this year though.

Our luck is about to change.

A hobbit and a muppet. That’s bonus points to the hockey gods. We get the top pick and then the second pick for interest accrued.

 

[NYR94]

He was for most of the season on the 1st PP unit. Tampa really only has one unit, the other unit just eats up time.

You're right, for some reason I thought Palat played more.

 

[Edge]

JT Miller is having his worst offensive season since his 3rd year with the Rangers, while skating with guys like Stamkos, Kucherov, and Point for most of the season. How does that happen?

Because his act has already worn thin and he’s been demoted.

And just think, something like 1/3 of his goals came in a 3 game stretch in February.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

A hobbit and a muppet. That’s bonus points to the hockey gods. We get the top pick and then the second pick for interest accrued.

If the hockey Gods require an infant I’ll give them Vesey, who still looks like one.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It's not really an argument for me, so much as it amuses me.

I think the Ducks, even with two games in hand are trending very differently from us.

And even with dropping, I don't know if we go all the way to 8th.

It's like we've already given up on even a moderately positive outcome, but view one of the worst as being our destiny. Essentially if we're in the fifth spot, we have 26 percent chance of landing in the top 3, and a 43 percent chance of picking fifth of sixth. So basically a 70 percent chance of picking 6th or higher.

I mean even at the 6th spot, there's basically a 40 percent chance of picking 6th or higher, and 78 percent chance we're 7th or higher. So the 8 seems funny.

And no matter where we pick, the drop will move to one spot ahead of us.

Like I said, I get it. But after seeing it several times, it does make me laugh a little.

The Rangers have one once in their last 10 games, Their remaining schedule includes seven games against teams with better records. I'm not understanding the negativity (?) about where they're going to finish is coming from? At least we're not seeing anymore complaints about picking 12th or 13th.

 

[Ghost of jas]

A hobbit and a muppet. That’s bonus points to the hockey gods. We get the top pick and then the second pick for interest accrued.

The sacrifice of the hobbit gets us two #1 picks.

 

[Edge]

The Rangers have one once in their last 10 games, Their remaining schedule includes seven games against teams with better records. I'm not understanding the negativity (?) about where their going to finish is coming from? At least we're not seeing anymore complaints about picking 12th or 13th.

I haven’t looked, but our record since November has to be pretty bad. At the very least, since December.

We reference the loser points, and they’re annoying as hell. But right now, I’m not sure the biggest difference between us and the bottom 3 isn’t October.