NHL Around the NHL - Offseason moves and rumblings

[BruinLVGA]

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah no. He isn’t a Norris level defenseman.

Big freaking time.

 

[ODAAT]

Button lost me a long time ago. Even just look at that quote.

He was a fourth liner.
He was average.
He was five goals shy of winning the scoring race.

Which is it?

I’m with Flannelman anyway in believing the veteran add should be at center. I’m not sure adding another $6M at wing is the most prudent allocation of cap space.

But Button’s comments here are nonsense.

I have 0 idea about Kovalchuk`s game over there as I watch 0 minutes of KHL hockey and I certainly don`t lean on Button for all my info but I did/do have concerns about how Kovalchuk would/may adjust to this NHL. I know he`s played tons of NHL games but this league, as we have seen, can leave players in the dust so quickly if they can`t keep up. I don`t know what his speed is like these days but if he`s lost a few steps, those few steps could be tough to make up for

I`m not upset about the B`s not getting him, nor would I be upset about Nash signing elsewhere. As you mentioned, I`d be more focused on signing someone that allows for more cap flexibility than tossing 5/6/7 mill at anyone for 3 years

 

[00BW]

Button lost me a long time ago. Even just look at that quote.

He was a fourth liner.
He was average.
He was five goals shy of winning the scoring race.

Which is it?

I’m with Flannelman anyway in believing the veteran add should be at center. I’m not sure adding another $6M at wing is the most prudent allocation of cap space.

But Button’s comments here are nonsense.

Honestly, all 3 plus bad skater can be true. It sounds like he's describing Cheechoo who once scored 50 goals but otherwise was too slow to contribute at anything else. The game started speeding up and he found himself in the AHL and then KHL. I haven't seen Kovy play in years so I don't know if he's still valuable but the Bruins have a ton of young, fast, NHL wings so I'm glad they lost the bidding war.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Honestly, all 3 plus bad skater can be true. It sounds like he's describing Cheechoo who once scored 50 goals but otherwise was too slow to contribute at anything else. The game started speeding up and he found himself in the AHL and then KHL. I haven't seen Kovy play in years so I don't know if he's still valuable but the Bruins have a ton of young, fast, NHL wings so I'm glad they lost the bidding war.

My guess is we'd like the deal big time year 1 but hate it come year 3.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Sounds like the Kings saved DS if Button is even 50% correct.

 

[ODAAT]

Sounds like the Kings saved DS if Button is even 50% correct.

problem is Button is rarely 50% correct

 

[DominicT]

Hey guys, I’m just curious if any confirmed links about whatever issues Dougie may have had here ever came out? Because it sure sounds like he was moved today for locker room issues.

Locker room issues existed even prior to his NHL days - going back to Niagara in the OHL.

I'm not going to drag his name through the mud, but personally, I think he'll have a few more teams on his resume before his career is over.

 

[00BW]

That article also claims the 'Canes were only $700k apart on a contract for Lindholm. If he blossoms on the top line with Monahan and Gaudreau, this will come back to really hurt Carolina.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

That article also claims the 'Canes were only $700k apart on a contract for Lindholm. If he blossoms on the top line with Monahan and Gaudreau, this will come back to really hurt Carolina.

Its a great deal for them. Looks very fair on paper but I see one winner and one loser.

I think we have seen Ferland and Dougie's peak. Hanifin and Lindholm not so much.

Since Hamilton arrived in Calgary I think it would be fair to call that team the biggest underachievers in the NHL given the collection of talent. And how good they were without him before he arrived 2014/15 Flames were excellent. In 3 seasons they were awful and missed the playoffs twice and an went out in the first once.

 

[missingchicklet]

Interesting take from Calgary Sun columnist Eric Francis about Dougie Hamilton. Seems his issues have more to do with drive and where his heart is than anything else:

However, while Flames GM Brad Treliving is taking the high road on Hamilton’s situation, the fact that the 25-year-old has been traded twice in three years says plenty about the 6-foot-6, 210-lb. defenceman.

Treliving’s contriteness when addressing the reasons why you’d trade a player with Hamilton’s stats says even more.

“Dougie is a terrific talent on the ice,” said the Flames GM, who traded for Hamilton at the NHL Draft three years earlier.

“I think I have a good and open relationship with players, and so there’s things I’m not going to share. We take everything on and off the ice into consideration here. I’m going to keep that stuff internal.”
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Hamilton isn’t disruptive or hated in the room or by the media.

He simply falls into the category of a player who isn’t bothered at all by losses, which rubs teammates and upper management the wrong way.

Winning, and all the things necessary to do so, isn’t paramount to him.

Conversely, Hamilton was clearly frustrated by the team’s decision to put his brother on waivers (after which he was claimed by the Arizona Coyotes) in January and did several things as the year wound down to demonstrate his unhappiness.

Francis: Flames make necessary move to help change dressing-room dynamic

Sounds to me that Dougie is a bit delusional and quite the spoiled brat

That has been my impression of him as well. Dude still hasn't grown up and is satisfied with whatever. He just doesn't have the compete level you want to see in an NHL player. He's for sure talented and it was fun rooting him on when he first came up to the Bs, but good grief at some point we started seeing him just not give a shit too many times. His defensive lapses reflect this. Been watching him in Calgary since he landed there and it has been the same old story. He really hasn't seemed to grow much in his own zone. I don't miss him one iota. One of the most overrated players in the league. Baffling why Carolina traded for him.

 

[Chief Nine]

That has been my impression of him as well. Dude still hasn't grown up and is satisfied with whatever. He just doesn't have the compete level you want to see in an NHL player. He's for sure talented and it was fun rooting him on when he first came up to the Bs, but good grief at some point we started seeing him just not give a **** too many times. His defensive lapses reflect this. Been watching him in Calgary since he landed there and it has been the same old story. He really hasn't seemed to grow much in his own zone. I don't miss him one iota. One of the most overrated players in the league. Baffling why Carolina traded for him.

From what it sounds like, this is the whole issue. Seems Dougie really takes for granted that he’s good enough to be one of the few players in the world to be an NHL pro player and doesn’t really care much about being competitive

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah no. He isn’t a Norris level defenseman.

IMO he's Norris level in every facet of the game except for inside his own dots. after a rough start in Calgary he sorted his game out and plays on the top pair against the toughest competition every night with very good results, but he still doesn't kill penalties and plays under 22 mins.

for whatever reason though, that's two organizations that have been willing to let him go (albeit for pretty good returns). his numbers are great, but at the end of the day you need 20 guys to live & die together to win and obviously teams are finding that Dougie is not the kind of guy you can do that with.

 

[Bruinaura]

If you have an Athletic subscription, this is well worth a read about the Pacioretty mess.

 

[Gordoff]

If you have an Athletic subscription, this is well worth a read about the Pacioretty mess.

I don't, what's it say?

 

[Bruinaura]

I don't, what's it say?

There's a lot to it, but here's a clip:

Pacioretty wants to get what he feels he is worth and Bergevin also wants to get what he feels Pacioretty is worth. The GM knows that watching Pacioretty score 35 goals in another uniform next season would make him look terrible if he wasn’t able to get a defensible return. So Bergevin is also handcuffed by the difference between what you feel you deserve and what you ultimately get.
The perennial 30-goal scorer just had the worst season of his career and the Canadiens need to find a team that will not only offer a return that will satisfy Bergevin, but also show a willingness to take a leap of faith by offering Pacioretty a long-term contract extension in the hopes that last season was not the beginning of a decline. That element of risk for the receiving team is obvious. Bergevin didn’t like the return he was offered for his captain at the trade deadline. But now, Bergevin is facing a factor that didn’t really exist then, that of Pacioretty basically applying a virtual no-trade clause.
Pacioretty does not have any trade protection in his contract, let’s be clear, but if he refuses to sign with the teams Bergevin is able to come to a trade agreement with on the condition that he signs a contract extension, such as the Kings, then he basically has a no-trade clause. And that obviously makes a trade more difficult.

 

[DominicT]

IMO he's Norris level in every facet of the game except for inside his own dots. after a rough start in Calgary he sorted his game out and plays on the top pair against the toughest competition every night with very good results, but he still doesn't kill penalties and plays under 22 mins.

for whatever reason though, that's two organizations that have been willing to let him go (albeit for pretty good returns). his numbers are great, but at the end of the day you need 20 guys to live & die together to win and obviously teams are finding that Dougie is not the kind of guy you can do that with.

Dougie Hamilton - Ryan Strome.

Both played together in Niagara in the OHL.
Both come from the same locker room.
Both first round picks in 2011.

 

[LouJersey]

Interesting take from Calgary Sun columnist Eric Francis about Dougie Hamilton. Seems his issues have more to do with drive and where his heart is than anything else:

However, while Flames GM Brad Treliving is taking the high road on Hamilton’s situation, the fact that the 25-year-old has been traded twice in three years says plenty about the 6-foot-6, 210-lb. defenceman.

Treliving’s contriteness when addressing the reasons why you’d trade a player with Hamilton’s stats says even more.

“Dougie is a terrific talent on the ice,” said the Flames GM, who traded for Hamilton at the NHL Draft three years earlier.

“I think I have a good and open relationship with players, and so there’s things I’m not going to share. We take everything on and off the ice into consideration here. I’m going to keep that stuff internal.”

Hamilton isn’t disruptive or hated in the room or by the media.

He simply falls into the category of a player who isn’t bothered at all by losses, which rubs teammates and upper management the wrong way.

Winning, and all the things necessary to do so, isn’t paramount to him.

Conversely, Hamilton was clearly frustrated by the team’s decision to put his brother on waivers (after which he was claimed by the Arizona Coyotes) in January and did several things as the year wound down to demonstrate his unhappiness.

Francis: Flames make necessary move to help change dressing-room dynamic

Sounds to me that Dougie is a bit delusional and quite the spoiled brat

I always find these things hilarious. The "winning" comments. I haven't seen many athletes that seem to give a f*** about winning or losing in quite some time.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I always find these things hilarious. The "winning" comments. I haven't seen many athletes that seem to give a **** about winning or losing in quite some time.

I only see it in the greats nowadays.

You can tell Crosby wants to win every time he's on the ice.

That type of attitude is probably what makes him the most talented player of his generation

 

[KnightofBoston]

Dougie is the epitome of a privileged rich boy that expects things to just go the way he thinks they should go because...why wouldn’t they right? You’re not used to anything else



Kinda sucks the bruins probably aren’t in on Tavares/he’s not interested. They’ve had talks internally and probably approached him but it sounds like he wants to be either in a warm climate and or with a team that is more up n coming (personally the bruins are that but there are question makes and no one really gives that kind of credit to Boston )

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Dougie Hamilton - Ryan Strome.

Both played together in Niagara in the OHL.
Both come from the same locker room.
Both first round picks in 2011.

i don't know the history here...is there something about that group that relates to this?

 

[Friar85]

I always find these things hilarious. The "winning" comments. I haven't seen many athletes that seem to give a **** about winning or losing in quite some time.

I'm not sure this is true. A few of the guys I played with in the 70s and 80s, competitively and then in summer leagues later on played professionally, and you can't compare the work ethic of those guys with the kids today. I coached bantam and midget teams that worked much harder and did more year round than those pros ever did. I think some of that is the drive to climb the ladder but some of it is also the desire to be the best player they can be and give their teams the best chance to win.

 

[EverettMike]

If I were Bergevin I would be looking at the Lucic trade as a comparable for moving Pacioretty. A 1st round pick and a great prospect he then gives away for free to the Seattle expansion team.

 

[Chief Nine]

I always find these things hilarious. The "winning" comments. I haven't seen many athletes that seem to give a **** about winning or losing in quite some time.

Yeah, I get the “winning over everything” attitude is more lip service for most, but what actually does win is enough guys with buy in and “want to” to lead the way. Ovechkin finally got that this year

 

[Gordoff]

There's a lot to it, but here's a clip:

Pacioretty wants to get what he feels he is worth and Bergevin also wants to get what he feels Pacioretty is worth. The GM knows that watching Pacioretty score 35 goals in another uniform next season would make him look terrible if he wasn’t able to get a defensible return. So Bergevin is also handcuffed by the difference between what you feel you deserve and what you ultimately get.
The perennial 30-goal scorer just had the worst season of his career and the Canadiens need to find a team that will not only offer a return that will satisfy Bergevin, but also show a willingness to take a leap of faith by offering Pacioretty a long-term contract extension in the hopes that last season was not the beginning of a decline. That element of risk for the receiving team is obvious. Bergevin didn’t like the return he was offered for his captain at the trade deadline. But now, Bergevin is facing a factor that didn’t really exist then, that of Pacioretty basically applying a virtual no-trade clause.
Pacioretty does not have any trade protection in his contract, let’s be clear, but if he refuses to sign with the teams Bergevin is able to come to a trade agreement with on the condition that he signs a contract extension, such as the Kings, then he basically has a no-trade clause. And that obviously makes a trade more difficult.

Thank you, that was interesting!

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Dougie Hamilton - Ryan Strome.

Both played together in Niagara in the OHL.
Both come from the same locker room.
Both first round picks in 2011.

There is a guy I know that posts here, who shall remain nameless (unless he wants to take credit for it), that told me the day after the B’s drafted Hamilton that he would never see a second contract in Boston.

When Dougie was moved that draft day, I immediately thought of this person. 100% on target.