Around The NHL Discussion 2021-22 Part II

[Davimir Tarablad]

Schwartz with the 2nd goal of the franchise.

Am I a bad person if I want to see Lehner totally implode this year?

Lehner having an awful year would be an interesting bit of karma for how Vegas tossed Fleury to the curb.

 

[TheDizee]

dunn still is a awful defender

 

[rumrokh]

This is an insanely good season. That performance in the offensive zone is abnormally good even for top line players

That is specifically last season until May 19th, not his career or anything like that.

And, yes, I understand that Eberle is a good offensive driver. But there's a reason McCurdy's methods have fallen flat trying to predict outcomes. They're incomplete. For the record, Perron's charts since like 2017 have looked good, too. But there's something Perron has been able to do that Eberle hasn't: produce. Perron has scored 20 more even strength points in 5 fewer games over the last three seasons. Perron regularly has a higher shot rate, which is one of the most reproduceable indicators of offensive quality.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I don't like the Golden Knights as an organization. I wouldn't feel bad if their fans have to pay some serious dues before getting back to the SCF. But with Lehner, something about him just rubs me the wrong way. I appreciate some of the things he's done, but I feel he abuses his platform. The tweets about NHL teams giving out benzos without a prescription were sensational and vague. There's just no reason for that crap. If something really happened and he has something to say...say it. I also think MAF was not treated with the appreciation he earned. That's not Lehner's fault, but if he flops it reflects on the decision-makers who made it that way.

 

[mk80]

I don't like the Golden Knights as an organization. I wouldn't feel bad if their fans have to pay some serious dues before getting back to the SCF. But with Lehner, something about him just rubs me the wrong way. I appreciate some of the things he's done, but I feel he abuses his platform. The tweets about NHL teams giving out benzos without a prescription were sensational and vague. There's just no reason for that crap. If something really happened and he has something to say...say it. I also think MAF was not treated with the appreciation he earned. That's not Lehner's fault, but if he flops it reflects on the decision-makers who made it that way.

I still they made a mistake in firing Gallant... I like him as a coach much better than Deboer

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I just want to see Vegas fall flat on their face. Especially with the way they treated MAF and Gallant.

 

[rumrokh]

I still they made a mistake in firing Gallant... I like him as a coach much better than Deboer

I'm interested in seeing how this plays out long term, because I agreed with you once upon a time. That doesn't mean I don't agree with that anymore, but I think, while what DeBoer did with San Jose was simple to a fault, he didn't employ the same strategy with the Knights. It's possible the existing systems had their own momentum and DeBoer will eventually lose the team as it becomes clear he doesn't have better ideas of his own, I'm not sure.

 

[Thallis]

That is specifically last season until May 19th, not his career or anything like that.

And, yes, I understand that Eberle is a good offensive driver. But there's a reason McCurdy's methods have fallen flat trying to predict outcomes. They're incomplete. For the record, Perron's charts since like 2017 have looked good, too. But there's something Perron has been able to do that Eberle hasn't: produce. Perron has scored 20 more even strength points in 5 fewer games over the last three seasons. Perron regularly has a higher shot rate, which is one of the most reproduceable indicators of offensive quality.

Perron is undoubtedly a better finisher, which is what leads to that point differential. Eberle is better at driving the play and keeping it in the zone. His career charts are consistently high as an offensive driver so I didn't really want to overload on information. The point is this really shouldn't as controversial as people are making it out to be here. Perron has obviously been great for us since coming back, but Eberle is also a terrific player that most of us won't see or hear much about since he tends to get overshadowed in the same way Perron does to other markets. Most models I've seen say something similar and that they provide about equal value.

I'm not really endorsing McCurdy's model as a predictor (but I absolutely will with Dom since his consistently outperforms every other model or prediction); I prefer it more as a retroactive tool instead of a predictive tool. Results obviously change year to year and the sauce of how much playing with good players helps those numbers remains very much a secret.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

At what point does the NHL just get rid of the distinct kicking motion rule?

 

[Thallis]

At what point does the NHL just get rid of the distinct kicking motion rule?

Something has to give because that was egregious

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

At what point does the NHL just get rid of the distinct kicking motion rule?

Not sure the issue. They changed rule several years ago. You can direct it in with skate now. What they don’t want is dangerous kicking of skate, which is why rule is as it is. That was absolutely right call under current rules.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Not sure the issue. They changed rule several years ago. You can direct it in with skate now. What they don’t want is dangerous kicking of skate, which is why rule is as it is. That was absolutely right call under current rules.

His leg literally kicks out and is not on the ice when it makes contact with the puck. It's not like he's trying to stop or turn with that skate, it's just a straight up kicking motion with his foot.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

His leg literally kicks out and is not on the ice when it makes contact with the puck. It's not like he's trying to stop or turn with that skate, it's just a straight up kicking motion with his foot.

Not by the way the league views it. They let you kick a little. Been consistent for years. That was nudge and redirection, not distinct kicking motion.

 

[TheDizee]

I don't like the Golden Knights as an organization. I wouldn't feel bad if their fans have to pay some serious dues before getting back to the SCF. But with Lehner, something about him just rubs me the wrong way. I appreciate some of the things he's done, but I feel he abuses his platform. The tweets about NHL teams giving out benzos without a prescription were sensational and vague. There's just no reason for that crap. If something really happened and he has something to say...say it. I also think MAF was not treated with the appreciation he earned. That's not Lehner's fault, but if he flops it reflects on the decision-makers who made it that way.

Guy is not a legit #1 on a cup team, he showed that again tonight letting a expansion team get back into the game and tie it when up 3-0. that 3rd goal was a jake allen special

Neither Colorado or Vegas will win the West with their current goaltending situation.

 

[Stealth JD]

Like we have 3 defensemen and at least 5 forwards better than anybody on the Kraken. Don't understand at all how Dom's model picks them to have more points than us.

Pacific Division?

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Dunn was terrible in that game

Turnover machine

 

[Thallis]

 

[Ranksu]

Dunn was terrible in that game

Turnover machine

His shot lead to first ever Seattle goal. I count one turnover which leads to goal. This isn't anything new. I wonder do you count every turnover when Krug or Faulk will turn the puck.

 

[Em etah Eh]

Was that on purpose? Yes. Was it a distinct kicking motion? No. He twists his ankle a little bit to guide the puck in but I don't think it's a dangerous play or distinct kicking motion.

Looks like the Avalanche get a warm up game against the hawks tonight ahead of our first game on Saturday. Isn't that nice...

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Was that on purpose? Yes. Was it a distinct kicking motion? No. He twists his ankle a little bit to guide the puck in but I don't think it's a dangerous play or distinct kicking motion.

Looks like the Avalanche get a warm up game against the hawks tonight ahead of our first game on Saturday. Isn't that nice...

But, they might not have MacKinnon on Saturday, so that helps

 

[Ranksu]

Steal that price tag. Krug and Faulk 6.5mill.$ Ekholm is superior player vs Krug or Faulk.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Steal that price tag. Krug and Faulk 6.5mill.$ Ekholm is superior player vs Krug or Faulk.

He is fine player but he will be 32 when it starts. Krug was 29 and Faulk 28 when their contracts began. That significantly impacts expected value.

 

[stlbluz]

His shot lead to first ever Seattle goal. I count one turnover which leads to goal. This isn't anything new. I wonder do you count every turnover when Krug or Faulk will turn the puck.

With Mikkola screening our goalie & deflecting pucks into our own net, I don't think anyone will even notice the occasional turnover.

 

[Ranksu]

He is fine player but he will be 32 when it starts. Krug was 29 and Faulk 28 when their contracts began. That significantly impacts expected value.

When their contract ends? How old they all are?

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

It was nice that they came back and tied the game, but did the Seattle team look 'scared' to anyone else? Maybe that's not the best word, but they didn't look confident to me. (Not that they should be terribly confident, but going into the first game of the year you expect a little more pop and energy.) I think they're going to be in for a long season.