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stickty111 said:
Yes they are wierd. Mirtle in that tweet didn't even mention Dubas's name, so stop with the assumption he is defending Dubas. He literally just said he thinks others were more deserving and many people would agree with him. Why people assume that as defending Dubas? Seems like people get very defensive if Lou isn't being treated as a perfect GM.

You guys are just again picking apart every little thing as a means to criticize Dubas.

Imagine criticizing a GM because of what a reporter said, and even framing the tweet by the reporter to make it sound he is sticking up for the GM. Quite embarassing.
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The posts show I am not the only one who believes dubes and mirtle are buddies. Sure I cannot say for sure that he was defending dubes but many leaf fans will interpret it that way and some will not.
 
Legion34 said:
???? Mirtle was pretty blunt from the start about his dislike of the Barrie trade and how dumb it was to rely on Hutchison.....


Do you listen to his podcast? (It’s not great. I just have a long commute)

he has ripped the team pretty hard for months. He clearly likes analytics. He likes the idea of a young mind coming in and using “money puck” philosophies.

But how anyone can think that Mirtle is in his pocket is beyond me.

he was literally saying Matthews is the captain. Mckenzie was warning against assuming it for months before.

dreger came out and said flat out he knew it wasn’t Matthews.

Mirtle still reported it as Matthews.
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Do not listen to his podcasts but he appears to know what could be coming down the pile when I hear him on radio.
 
stickty111 said:
If you cared about the Leafs, you wouldn't be picking apart the GM for every little thing including something dumb as what a reporter says. You also have been proven wrong about the contracts yet still mention the same point over and over again, not too mention another "we can and we will" shot, but sure I'm sure you are very objective. They didn't make the playoffs because Freddy was a disaster.

You can keep the go after Dubas train though if you want.
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Caring about the leafs, and winning go hand in hand, pretty sure if your not winning you can pick apart any member of the organization, you have no authority to say if the poster cares or does not care about the organization, if your not winning than teams and organizations get heat put on them.... its pro sports its the nature of the beast
 
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Menzinger said:
Beacuse it shows/proves that a team built around young skilled guys can win in the post season. Yes there are differences but it's a much closer connection than a team built around grinders and vets.

I like Vegas more in that series but think the Stars are closer to them then what the Bolts are vs the Isles
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Nobody wants us to be the islanders. Heck with our top 4 we can't be. We just want dubas to add some grit like the lightning did since they lost 4 love to Columbus. As it stands today, Muzzin is it.
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
the people who complain about Dubas taking a 105 point team and turning it into a 100 point team the next year are the same ones who think Lou deserves an award for GM of the year when his team went from 103 points to a 96 point pace
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Using the same logic, Tampa's GM shouldn't be in the running.

His team went from 128 points to a 108 point pace.
 
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Jamason said:
Using the same logic, Tampa's GM shouldn't be in the running.

His team went from 128 points to a 108 point pace.
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Tampa's GM shouldn't have won it either, although he had guts to make those moves at the end of the season.

Mcrimmon is one of the GMs that took some risks this year and is now going deeper than we thought they would.

Gorton brought in Panarin and made some other moves which are impressive to me.

Lou's team regressed, would have likely missed if not for COVID, overspent on a 3rd line C, is about to waste some prime ELC/RFA years, and is now moving into a cap bind...

This scenario above probably feels familiar to Leaf fans.
 
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Do GM's of teams that play themselves out of the playoffs ever win this thing? Islanders were pretty much same ballpark as wings and sens to end the season. Trotz system was a disaster (edit- Used with the isles assets. The system itself is good). Lit up.


Not sure why the league wants to reward that? Voting is supposed to be done at the conclusion of regular season.

Jackets GM? Lost all their high end talent yet hopped the isles and have a better team than them. Pretty sure they would have held down that last wild card over the final 10 games and sent the Isles golfing.

What about Sakic? Stars GM?

This has 2020 written all over it. Just shrug your shoulders and move on lol
 
Merrrlin said:
Tampa's GM shouldn't have won it either, although he had guts to make those moves at the end of the season.

Mcrimmon is one of the GMs that took some risks this year and is now going deeper than we thought they would.

Gorton brought in Panarin and made some other moves which are impressive to me.

Lou's team regressed, would have likely missed if not for COVID, overspent on a 3rd line C, is about to waste some prime ELC/RFA years, and is now moving into a cap bind...

This scenario above probably feels familiar to Leaf fans.
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Lou's team had some serious injury problems, which caused the regression, but he took some chances (Lehner, Varlamov, and Pageau, which not everyone thinks he overpaid for), and has gone a lot deeper than most people thought.

I'm not saying he deserved it, but some of the arguments don't hold water.
 
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Jamason said:
Lou's team had some serious injury problems, which caused the regression, but he took some chances (Lehner, Varlamov, and Pageau, which not everyone thinks he overpaid for), and has gone a lot deeper than most people thought.

I'm not saying he deserved it, but some of the arguments don't hold water.
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Isn't the voting based off regular season?
 
Merrrlin said:
Isn't the voting based off regular season?
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I don't know, but since the voting is after the second round, that must affect it.

I was just pointing out that if McCrimmon is good for taking risks and going far, why isn't Lou?
 
Jamason said:
I don't know, but since the voting is after the second round, that must affect it.

I was just pointing out that if McCrimmon is good for taking risks and going far, why isn't Lou?
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Because in my opinion McCrimmon did more with less. That's why I am so impressed. Lou spent a ton of assets for Pageau, what else has he done?

Again, the Isles were trending down hard atr the end of the regular season. We're not supposed to look at playoffs for these awards, but even if we did, the Isles have had an extremely easy path and have (for the 2nd year in a row) folded as soon as they faced a top team.

If Point was healthy in game 3, that series would be over.
 
Jamason said:
Lou's team had some serious injury problems, which caused the regression, but he took some chances (Lehner, Varlamov, and Pageau, which not everyone thinks he overpaid for), and has gone a lot deeper than most people thought.

I'm not saying he deserved it, but some of the arguments don't hold water.
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Sure, agreed, but let's compare the Leafs injury issues vs the Islanders. Cases to be made that both teams regressed due to injury.

But for the GM of the year, it's a very valid reason. For the other, it's nothing but lame excuses.
 
Merrrlin said:
Because in my opinion McCrimmon did more with less. That's why I am so impressed. Lou spent a ton of assets for Pageau, what else has he done?

Again, the Isles were trending down hard atr the end of the regular season. We're not supposed to look at playoffs for these awards, but even if we did, the Isles have had an extremely easy path and have (for the 2nd year in a row) folded as soon as they faced a top team.

If Point was healthy in game 3, that series would be over.
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Lou took a team that, two years ago, didn't make the playoffs and then lost their best player with no return. McCrimmon's team has been good all along.

Lou got Varlamov, Greene and Pageau, all big contributors to this year's run. And I keep hearing this 'easy path' from a few Leaf fans, but nobody else, and I don't see it.

And the unprovable statement that a healthy Point would have made it a sweep only diminishes your argument that playoffs shouldn't count.


Considering that they have been outscored only 8-6 (9-7 if you include empty nets) in three games, I'm not sure 'folded' is true.
 
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kb said:
Sure, agreed, but let's compare the Leafs injury issues vs the Islanders. Cases to be made that both teams regressed due to injury.

But for the GM of the year, it's a very valid reason. For the other, it's nothing but lame excuses.
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I never suggested it wasn't a valid reason for Dubas, who I never mentioned.
 
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