I like Pageau it’s just will Lou actually move him is the question I think the chances would be much higher if he was a UFA after this season. If he doesn’t move Nelson then doubtful Pageau goes
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I mean...I know the Isles are only three points out of a wild-card spot, but if any team in the Metro needs at least a youth-oriented re-tool, it's the Isles. Nelson and Pageau are good players but they are much better fits for true contending outfits.
Oh I agree that they should sell but Lou just thinks differently a lot of the time. Even if they were to squeak in it’s a first round exit. I mean he did give Engvall a 7 year deal so anything is possible wouldn’t shock me if he resigned Nelson
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To me, when the bubble is this crowded and close most of those teams should still sell. It's really not likely to hurt your chances that much. Rangers are hanging in and getting assets and moving on from some players they don't really need. Unfortunately, many of those teams will hang onto guys, make the deadline more boring, and most of them will still miss anyway.
Skinnyjimmy08
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How has Kochetkov been for u guys this year??? Is he the undisputed #1 next season for the Canes?
If we can’t get a right handed C outta the options available I wouldn’t mind Yanni Gourde he’s definitely a Rod type player and he’s got a ton of playoff experience and can score and play a physical game
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He’s been up and down, like the team itself. The issue is twofold:
1. He does a lot better in a game when he’s facing a lot of shots, something the Canes don’t allow often. He’s much worse when facing 25 or less.
2. He’s excellent at stopping high danger chances, but low or medium risk situations somehow end up in the back of the net.
Both of the above kind of hint at a lack of focus during the game when he’s not constantly under siege.
As far as if he’s the undisputed #1 next year, probably not. We have no idea what the plan is with Andersen, or possibly Gibson in the offseason, or someone else entirely. But regardless, Kotchetkov will likely spend next year in the same position as this one: 1A/1B, depending on who’s got the hot hand
Re: Carrier-
It is increasingly likely we won’t see him until next year. Total blackout re: his condition plus no projection on when he will start skating.
It is increasingly likely we won’t see him until next year. Total blackout re: his condition plus no projection on when he will start skating.
Skinnyjimmy08
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Ok thanks for that info. I honestly thought a few years ago that he would become a star in the NHL eventually. I thought you guys had a stud on your hands that would be your future #1 forsure
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This was inevitable based on his history. Prob waiting to put him on LTIR til Friday to maximize cap space
I called Edmonton to ask about the availability of McDavid.
They are taking calls on trades.
I mean this is the level of reporting.
They are taking calls on trades.
I mean this is the level of reporting.
Stickpucker
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Why Pageau when Nelson is available?
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Probably why we signed him 6 years, because you'll get 2.5-3 seasons of play out of him!!!
For my money our forwards are snakebit but pretty good. We have excellent, excellent depth. I don't see the need in an addition there unless a great deal just falls into our lap. I'd love Ryan O'Reilly but I doubt Nashville moves on from him. If we can't land a 2C, what's the point of getting another bottom 6er? We already are having lineup issues fitting Roslovic in. I just don't see the need for forward depth this year.
Our defense could use an upgrade, but I also don't see that happening. I'm most scared in the playoffs of having Burns and Orlov take tough minutes. I just have seen way too many oopses from those two this year. And Ghost/Walker is fine but I don't think they can handle those tough minutes any better.
If I had a magic wand I'd find a way to upgrade on Burns or Orlov, but there are a lot of reasons why that can't and won't happen. At least Niksihin comes in playoff time as a remote possibility of a legitimate upgrade, one that we don't need to pay assets to acquire.
I could see us getting a legitimate #7D for insurance as I can't see Rod putting Stillman or Morrow out there for more than 10 minutes in a playoff game.
Our defense could use an upgrade, but I also don't see that happening. I'm most scared in the playoffs of having Burns and Orlov take tough minutes. I just have seen way too many oopses from those two this year. And Ghost/Walker is fine but I don't think they can handle those tough minutes any better.
If I had a magic wand I'd find a way to upgrade on Burns or Orlov, but there are a lot of reasons why that can't and won't happen. At least Niksihin comes in playoff time as a remote possibility of a legitimate upgrade, one that we don't need to pay assets to acquire.
I could see us getting a legitimate #7D for insurance as I can't see Rod putting Stillman or Morrow out there for more than 10 minutes in a playoff game.
They need at worst a 4c if Jost was to get hurt again next in line for centre depth is Suzuki. They need someone who can push Jost to the extra forward for now
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I'm just wondering if there's a Kuzy move out there this year that we don't necessarily hear a lot about or see coming but has a chance to be impactful.
Nikishin al Gaib
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Or
We just look at this year as what it is. We're setting the table for 2026 and beyond. Burns is completely washed, Orlov is struggling, we don't have a 2C, our PP is a mess and our goaltending situation is shaky at best. We aren't going to contend. Even if we make the playoffs, barring a miracle we're not going to make a run, either.
So why not just focus on making ourselves better next year at the deadline now? Full court press to get Rantanen signed going so far as to give him a Godfather offer, maybe trade for a defenseman with term at the deadline, and get a head start on the summer? I feel like anything we do to get ourselves better for this year is just pissing money or assets away.
ONLY for this year, and I agree. I like your strategy in that it can help for this year while also continuing to improve in the future.
The difficulty is there's a ton of cap available in the offseason, but it's not there now for a deadline move unless they move someone out.
They can create over 4 million easy Ltir Carrier, Roslovic gets moved and now you’ve got over 4 million if a team retains they can make a lot of deals work
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I wouldn't go all in with more deadline deals or anything, but the east is pretty wide open. I'd still like our chances against many of the teams out there even with some of the disarray we've dealt with. It isn't likely to be our best chance of the previous or future years, but I don't see a miracle needed to make some noise either.
Yeah that's a good point. I'm assuming Carrier will be back for the playoffs, giving us about 13 or 14 NHL capable forwards. But the C options are essentially just Aho/Kotkaniemi/Staal/Jost. I think the asset cost to acquire a legit upgrade we won't go for. I could see us finding a 4C or even a tweener type like Jost at a 5th round pick cost equivalent.
Fortunately we wouldn't expect scoring in that role, so we just need a body who can play C at the NHL level and play good defensively.
A veteran right handed shot C would be priority imo someone like Sissons or if you want a guy with more size and some toughness Mccarron from Nashville. If they wanna target someone with more offence and term Strome or Coyle make sense
Nikishin al Gaib
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Quite frankly, if we can't control matchups, I truly think we'd get completely overwhelmed by the likes of Toronto, Florida, Tampa, Washington, and possibly even Columbus if they make it in. I just don't have any confidence in a defense that has to play Burns major minutes, and that's not even mentioning the mess that Orlov has become.
Yeah this is my take. I'm generally against big deadline deals because it's the most costly time to acquire assets. The offseason is generally cheaper and there is more available to shape your team.
I also agree that I think we have a legitimate chance to go far. Did I like our odds better in 2024? Yes. But I nonetheless think Carolina would be favored in most matchups of playoff teams. I think we could beat anyone in our division, and we'd be underdogs against the Panthers, Leafs, and some Western Conference teams.
If there is a worthwhile deal out there, I'm all fine to explore it. I think the Borg's most likely outcome this TDL is that they stay pat and make no moves, or just one minor depth move.
I get it, though those guys would take some currency to acquire. I don't think replacing Jost with Sissons would hugely improve the roster. I'd lean more towards the bargain section at Harris Teeter. I'm picking up the coffee K-cups from Christmas that are marked down 75%.
DaveG
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With Boston looking to be selling I honestly would look into a reunion with Geekie. Only comes in at 2m cap hit, RHC (though he's mostly been on the wing in Boston) and already knows the system.
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