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Predsanddead24

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I just don't see the impetus for the NHL to want to fix this since it improves the overall talent level playing in the playoffs. Most fans don't really care at all about the salary cap and things like that and ratings are up these playoffs so it doesn't seem to be turning any significant of people away.
 
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Pros for the NHL
Increases talent that makes it into the playoffs
Increases trade deadline action
Gets rebuilding teams draft capital

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Teams with the funds can game the system more than teams without creating competitive disadvantages for smaller market teams but it does require players to be injured in the first place
Can put players long term health at risk - players like stone are probably currently playing through injuries because "it's the playoffs" that they'd likely otherwise be sitting out of games for.
 

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herzausstein said:
Pros for the NHL
Increases talent that makes it into the playoffs
Increases trade deadline action
Gets rebuilding teams draft capital

Cons
Teams with the funds can game the system more than teams without creating competitive disadvantages for smaller market teams but it does require players to be injured in the first place
Can put players long term health at risk - players like stone are probably currently playing through injuries because "it's the playoffs" that they'd likely otherwise be sitting out of games for.
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I think guys always have played through those injuries tbh
 
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My problem with the current LTIR rules is very simple. If a player is healthy enough to play in the first game of the playoffs, then he was healthy enough to play in game 82. If he was healthy enough to play in game 82 then he shouldn’t have been on LTIR for game 82. Injuries don’t just miraculously heal or disappear in the span of 2 to 3 days, especially the injuries that are bad enough to qualify for LTIR.

The intent of the rule was to prevent teams from being at a competitive disadvantage due to a diminished roster during the regular season. What it is currently being used for is to build a competitive advantage for the post season.

Look at the “injuries” that are being used as justification for LTIR. They’re typically using soft tissue/muscle injury or injuries that are difficult to prove the severity of. These types of injuries are the same injuries most commonly used for insurance fraud because they are so difficult to prove that they exist or how long the recovery process will actually take.

It’s a mockery and reeks of bullshit.
 
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Predsanddead24 said:
I just don't see the impetus for the NHL to want to fix this since it improves the overall talent level playing in the playoffs. Most fans don't really care at all about the salary cap and things like that and ratings are up these playoffs so it doesn't seem to be turning any significant of people away.
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Same impetus for the NHL to fix massively front-loaded contracts. Most fans also didn't really care that a player wouldn't play the last 2-4 years of that contract and the overall effect of using those contracts was artificially lowering AAV and allowing teams to add more talent.

It violates the spirit/integrity of the game. LTIR overrun is a tool intended for teams losing key players (or any players really) to catastrophic injury to not have their season ruined, allowing a like for like salary buffer to replace that player, not supplement their team by adding a like for like salary player. Additionally, there is a whole shitload of grey area involved here with regard to whether a player has a legit injury, should be medically cleared to play, and the timing of such.
 
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Bringer of Jollity said:
That might be a bit too heavy handed. Lots of players injured this time of year, and this happens to also punish teams not exploiting LTIR that may happen to have injured players coming back.
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maybe incorporate some version of emergency call ups so rosters aren't depleted but there is a limit to how long the roster is expanded without consequence of the cap?
 
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Bringer of Jollity said:
Same impetus for the NHL to fix massively front-loaded contracts. Most fans also didn't really care that a player wouldn't play the last 2-4 years of that contract and the overall effect of using those contracts was artificially lowering AAV and allowing teams to add more talent.

It violates the spirit/integrity of the game. LTIR overrun is a tool intended for teams losing key players (or any players really) to catastrophic injury to not have their season ruined, allowing a like for like salary buffer to replace that player, not supplement their team by adding a like for like salary player. Additionally, there is a whole shitload of grey area involved here with regard to whether a player has a legit injury, should be medically cleared to play, and the timing of such.
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I don't think the fix for massively front-loaded contracts was really related to the integrity of the game though. While competitive balance is a nice byproduct of the salary cap for fans the real reason the NHL wanted it was to tie player salaries to revenue to keep costs down for owners. Signing those front loaded mega deals circumvented that aspect of the cap, whereas the real dollar implications of the LTIR loophole aren't nearly as high. Especially since players don't get paid in the playoffs the NHL is essentially improving the talent in the playoffs for free.

Like I totally agree that it shouldn't be allowed but the NHL as an organization is more concerned about making money than the spirit/integrity of the game. The only reason they would care is if concerns about the integrity of the game keep viewers away and that doesn't seem to be happening.
 
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The solution to the Vegas situation is to have a maximum allowable amount of cap relief for LTIR, both per player and aggregate as a team.

Would stop the Vegas bullshit and the Arizona bullshit.
 
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Cats are Cup-bound. That team is STRONG.
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Long playoffs. Have one of NYR or Carolina to get through.

Really f***ing good team though. The east is proving that only the top teams were good. NYR, Carolina and Florida all proving worth the hype.

Boston/Toronto is a back alley knife fight. Whoever comes out of that series is going to be exhausted, injured and not able to keep up with Florida.
 
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Toronto seems to be built to lose in the playoffs.
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For one they are top heavy, and we've known for a long time that will not bring you long term success in the playoffs. After that the guys at the top they are paying never show up in the playoffs, so its a double whammy that insures that they will never get out of the first round if they match up with a balanced team.

Best thing they can do is not pay Marner, let Tavares time run out, then use those dollars to balance the roster out.

They slit their throat signing Tavares because they didn't need him and by giving him that kind of money it insured the younger guys were never going to play ball about taking less money. So not only did Tavares eat up 11 million in cap they could have turned into two guys to balance the rest of the team out, they ended up losing out on probably a good solid 2 million per contract on Marner, Mathews, and Nylander.

Finally some of their depth is exactly the same as those guys, aka Jarnkrok.
 
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Armourboy said:
For one they are top heavy, and we've known for a long time that will not bring you long term success in the playoffs. After that the guys at the top they are paying never show up in the playoffs, so its a double whammy that insures that they will never get out of the first round if they match up with a balanced team.

Best thing they can do is not pay Marner, let Tavares time run out, then use those dollars to balance the roster out.

They slit their throat signing Tavares because they didn't need him and by giving him that kind of money it insured the younger guys were never going to play ball about taking less money. So not only did Tavares eat up 11 million in cap they could have turned into two guys to balance the rest of the team out, they ended up losing out on probably a good solid 2 million per contract on Marner, Mathews, and Nylander.

Finally some of their depth is exactly the same as those guys, aka Jarnkrok.
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Our team isn't a whole lot different to be honest. We have the top line, a couple of noticeable players, and a bunch of plugs filling holes. We do have a goalie and a great 2-way D, but they don't always show up.
 
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