Around the NHL 2024-2025

[SirPaste]

Trying to remember specifics, and they allude me at the moment, but I recall at least an old pattern when players leave Boston they take a lot of media hits on the way out.

A real escalation to drop things like that in a press conference in the middle of an already contentious negotiation vs kicking someone when they already on the way out.

Seguin definitely took some hits on his way out.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Swayman Gate is good drama!

The Sway Swindler Swings the Ullmark Sortie and then holds out to undermine the Boston Bruins.

Brilliant conspiracy!!

 

[Stealth JD]

Zero reason for the Blues to invest big money in Swayman when (1) goaltending is a strength today, (2) Hofer seems poised to provide quality play with the potential to become the starter in the not too distant future, (3) you’d be doing the Broons a favor by sending them a goalie who is cheaper and arguably better, (4) the AHL pipeline isn’t exactly devoid of goaltending talent.

The money spent on Swayman would be better served filling actual holes in the roster. If you want to trade Binner, you do so because you believe that you can win with Hofer and a kid and go cheap on G while selling high on #50. You don’t “upgrade” and pay more in the process when you don’t currently have a problem to solve.

 

[Brian39]

Zero reason for the Blues to invest big money in Swayman when (1) goaltending is a strength today, (2) Hofer seems poised to provide quality play with the potential to become the starter in the not too distant future, (3) you’d be doing the Broons a favor by sending them a goalie who is cheaper and arguably better, (4) the AHL pipeline isn’t exactly devoid of goaltending talent.

The money spent on Swayman would be better served filling actual holes in the roster. If you want to trade Binner, you do so because you believe that you can win with Hofer and a kid and go cheap on G while selling high on #50. You don’t “upgrade” and pay more in the process when you don’t currently have a problem to solve.

I disagree that teams shouldn't be interested in upgrading players in positions that are already a strength. I view Thomas as a strength and capable of being the 1C on a Cup winning team. But there are absolutely centers I'd swap him for, including ones that would require us to pay more money.

I'm very much in favor of trying to get younger and better at any position whenever there is an opportunity to do so.

I think Swayman is currently a better goaltender than Binner and is better than the ceiling of every other goalie in our organization. I absolutely think that 8 years of Swayman on a deal no more than the Thomas/Kyrou contracts would give us a better chance at a Cup long term than any combination of keeping Binner and/or eventually turning the net over to Hofer.

I'm not paying a bunch of other assets to do it. I'm not adding a 1st rounder. I'm not adding any of our top prospects. I'm not adding another valuable roster player. This would be a trade where I'd be looking to take advantage of a team that has painted themselves into a corner by offering them a short term solution to their goalie and cap problem in exchange for a guy I believe will be elite when our window re-opens. If they demand more, then they can explore other options.

But I completely disagree that you shouldn't try to get younger and better in an area just because you are already good in that area.

 

[Stealth JD]

I disagree that teams shouldn't be interested in upgrading players in positions that are already a strength. I view Thomas as a strength and capable of being the 1C on a Cup winning team. But there are absolutely centers I'd swap him for, including ones that would require us to pay more money.

I'm very much in favor of trying to get younger and better at any position whenever there is an opportunity to do so.

I think Swayman is currently a better goaltender than Binner and is better than the ceiling of every other goalie in our organization. I absolutely think that 8 years of Swayman on a deal no more than the Thomas/Kyrou contracts would give us a better chance at a Cup long term than any combination of keeping Binner and/or eventually turning the net over to Hofer.

I'm not paying a bunch of other assets to do it. I'm not adding a 1st rounder. I'm not adding any of our top prospects. I'm not adding another valuable roster player. This would be a trade where I'd be looking to take advantage of a team that has painted themselves into a corner by offering them a short term solution to their goalie and cap problem in exchange for a guy I believe will be elite when our window re-opens. If they demand more, then they can explore other options.

But I completely disagree that you shouldn't try to get younger and better in an area just because you are already good in that area.

“Better” is subjective. Boston’s defense is inarguably better than the Blues’, and Swayman hasn’t exactly been a playoff horse to this point. Binner had the second-best goals saved above expected last year, and seems to be capable of getting locked in and tuning out the noise or moving past a bad prior game. Swayman is younger, yes. But so what? It’s not like Binner and Hofer are at risk of aging out in the next five years. Those two combined make less than Swayman would command and who’s to say Swayman doesn’t wilt behind the Blues leaky team-defense. Hard-pass.

If you want to talk to me about upgrading Thomas our Buchnevich to younger, better options, I’m interested. But rolling the dice on goaltending which has FINALLY been solved for the first time in decades seems foolish.

 

[BlueDream]

I disagree that teams shouldn't be interested in upgrading players in positions that are already a strength. I view Thomas as a strength and capable of being the 1C on a Cup winning team. But there are absolutely centers I'd swap him for, including ones that would require us to pay more money.

I'm very much in favor of trying to get younger and better at any position whenever there is an opportunity to do so.

I think Swayman is currently a better goaltender than Binner and is better than the ceiling of every other goalie in our organization. I absolutely think that 8 years of Swayman on a deal no more than the Thomas/Kyrou contracts would give us a better chance at a Cup long term than any combination of keeping Binner and/or eventually turning the net over to Hofer.

I'm not paying a bunch of other assets to do it. I'm not adding a 1st rounder. I'm not adding any of our top prospects. I'm not adding another valuable roster player. This would be a trade where I'd be looking to take advantage of a team that has painted themselves into a corner by offering them a short term solution to their goalie and cap problem in exchange for a guy I believe will be elite when our window re-opens. If they demand more, then they can explore other options.

But I completely disagree that you shouldn't try to get younger and better in an area just because you are already good in that area.

I would be furious if the Blues entertained that.

Even if Swayman is better, I think the difference is negligible. I don’t see any point in spending 2-3 mil more per year on a different goaltender when we already know Binnington is good enough to win a Cup. He’s the only goalie we’ve had that’s done it.

IMO we’d be crazy to even offer that to Boston and would be doing them a huge solid to get them out of a bad situation. I have zero interest in helping them out by saying “oh you’re in a tough spot with your goaltending? Here, you can have a Cup winning goaltender in Jordan Binnington instead.” f*** no. The Bruins can kick rocks.

And I haven’t even mentioned Hofer either. Why would we want to commit a long-term contract to Swayman when Hofer might be a legit future #1 for cheaper? I think it’s a waste of time trying to shake up what is clearly the main strength of our team. If you want to talk about upgrading our centers or defensemen then I’m all ears. Goaltending is the one position we don’t need to touch.

 

[Brian39]

“Better” is subjective. Boston’s defense is inarguably better than the Blues’, and Swayman hasn’t exactly been a playoff horse to this point.

Swayman had a .933 in 12 games in the playoffs last year. He was dominant against the Leafs and very good against the Panthers (especially in the back half of the series when their backs were against the wall). His career .922 SV% in the playoffs through 18 starts is noticeably better than Binner's .910.

Binner had the second-best goals saved above expected last year, and seems to be capable of getting locked in and tuning out the noise or moving past a bad prior game.

Moneypuck has Binner at 5th in all situations. Swayman was 4th despite GSAx being a cumulative stat and him playing fewer games. Swayman was also 4th if you looked at GSAx per 60 while Binner was 9th. Swayman was also ahead of Binner if you just look at GSAx at 5 on 5 as well.

Binner followed up a 4+ goal against game with another 4+ goal against game 8 times last year. It happened to Swayman twice. Boston was for sure better defensively, but there is every indication that Swayman has the same ability.

Swayman is younger, yes. But so what? It’s not like Binner and Hofer are at risk of aging out in the next five years.

Binner will be 33 at the end of his contract in 3 years and 35 in 5 years. If he is still performing as a legit #1 guy at the end of his contract, we will either need to let him walk or pay him more than $8M a year on a contract with uncomfortable term. Age is absolutely a factor.

Those two combined make less than Swayman would command and who’s to say Swayman doesn’t wilt behind the Blues leaky team-defense.

We're just a year removed from Binner putting up brutal numbers behind the crappy defense. Who's to say that we can count on Binner to be the 2023/24 version every year for several more years? Binner wasn't as bad as his numbers looked in 2021/22, but he certainly wasn't great. Swayman has been very good at every stop of the way in his career and Boston's defense last year wasn't nearly as good as it has been in year's past.

I genuinely don't see an argument for Binner over Swayman on a strict 1 to 1 comparison and I say that as someone that very strongly believes that Binner should have gotten Vezina consideration last year.

 

[Xerloris]

I think Swayman is currently a better goaltender than Binner and is better than the ceiling of every other goalie in our organization. I absolutely think that 8 years of Swayman on a deal no more than the Thomas/Kyrou contracts would give us a better chance at a Cup long term than any combination of keeping Binner and/or eventually turning the net over to Hofer.

No thanks. Not gonna trade Binny for a dickbag that just wants a pay day without winning anything worth a shit.

Swayman had a .933 in 12 games in the playoffs last year. He was dominant against the Leafs and very good against the Panthers (especially in the back half of the series when their backs were against the wall). His career .922 SV% in the playoffs through 18 starts is noticeably better than Binner's .910.



Moneypuck has Binner at 5th in all situations. Swayman was 4th despite GSAx being a cumulative stat and him playing fewer games. Swayman was also 4th if you looked at GSAx per 60 while Binner was 9th. Swayman was also ahead of Binner if you just look at GSAx at 5 on 5 as well.

Binner followed up a 4+ goal against game with another 4+ goal against game 8 times last year. It happened to Swayman twice. Boston was for sure better defensively, but there is every indication that Swayman has the same ability.



Binner will be 33 at the end of his contract in 3 years and 35 in 5 years. If he is still performing as a legit #1 guy at the end of his contract, we will either need to let him walk or pay him more than $8M a year on a contract with uncomfortable term. Age is absolutely a factor.


We're just a year removed from Binner putting up brutal numbers behind the crappy defense. Who's to say that we can count on Binner to be the 2023/24 version every year for several more years? Binner wasn't as bad as his numbers looked in 2021/22, but he certainly wasn't great. Swayman has been very good at every stop of the way in his career and Boston's defense last year wasn't nearly as good as it has been in year's past.

I genuinely don't see an argument for Binner over Swayman on a strict 1 to 1 comparison and I say that as someone that very strongly believes that Binner should have gotten Vezina consideration last year.

Now use your logical thinking skills instead of your stat sheets like Dom. Swayman has done nothing to prove he deserves what he's asking for and no, regular season stats mean nothing to me.