Around the NHL 2023-24 - offseason part II

[MadDevil]

Highest AAV in NHL history...until next summer when McDavid's extension is announced.

 

[MartyOwns]

holy balls

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Don't think Leon will age well with that deal, gives big shades of Parise/Kovy with us and how Zach wanted more than Kovy when he was the worse player.

 

[Lou is God]

This is good news, my fear was Leon or McDavid ending up in NY.

 

[JrFischer54]

Don't think Leon will age well with that deal, gives big shades of Parise/Kovy with us and how Zach wanted more than Kovy when he was the worse player.

Not many players will age well compared to their current but that’s to be expected. They care about the first half of the deal and if he lives up to that

https://x.com/i/web/status/1830977226210451940

Our stars are on some amazing contracts

lol was waiting for that type of comment

 

[NJDevs26]

So does McDavid sign for $14 million and a penny or just a total f*** it deal at whatever the max is?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Not many players will age well compared to their current but that’s to be expected. They care about the first half of the deal and if he lives up to that


lol was waiting for that type of comment

That's a fair point, I guess. I think I would have more grace for it if they had a Cup or two, it seems like this upcoming year is their equivalent to a last dance with Leon's extension kicking in 25-26 and McDavid's impending UFA decision/him getting more. The kicker is Nurse's 9M tbh

 

[Blackjack]

I’m guessing McDavid gets a max deal around 18 mil

 

[Saugus]

I’m guessing McDavid gets a max deal around 18 mil

He's probably worth that much, and particularly to them. I can't think of another team in recent years that lives or dies by its superstar to the extent that the Oilers do.

Letting him walk would send them right back into another perpetual rebuild.

 

[JrFischer54]

That's a fair point, I guess. I think I would have more grace for it if they had a Cup or two, it seems like this upcoming year is their equivalent to a last dance with Leon's extension kicking in 25-26 and McDavid's impending UFA decision/him getting more. The kicker is Nurse's 9M tbh

I dunno how I feel if they had a cup/s before these mega deals. Would their hunger still be there in year 3/4? If I’m Edmonton do you even resign him if you already got what you wanted a cup or two?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I dunno how I feel if they had a cup/s before these mega deals. Would their hunger still be there in year 3/4? If I’m Edmonton do you even resign him if you already got what you wanted a cup or two?

They'd be legends in that city, they'd get legacy deals imo. And they're still millionaires regardless lol, they don't have to live in Edmonton for the whole year and they probably don't. They probably have houses everywhere

 

[JrFischer54]

I’m guessing McDavid gets a max deal around 18 mil

Yeah he isn’t leaving a nickel on the table and he shouldn’t.

They'd be legends in that city, they'd get legacy deals imo. And they're still millionaires regardless lol, they don't have to live in Edmonton for the whole year and they probably don't. They probably have houses everywhere

But if they have 1 or 2 cups already as oilers gm you give this deal or trade and retool under mcdavid

 

[Goptor]

Edmonton not deferring money and lowering the cap hit is a fireable offense.

Having Drai and McD on circumvention contracts would set them up for a dynasty. Having them on high cap contracts when half the league is deferring money means last year and this year will be their best chance at a cup.

 

[JrFischer54]

Edmonton not deferring money and lowering the cap hit is a fireable offense.

Having Drai and McD on circumvention contracts would set them up for a dynasty. Having them on high cap contracts when half the league is deferring money means last year and this year will be their best chance at a cup.

Eh I’ve heard the doom and gloom about the cap for years on here. It’s going to go up they will find a way to offload the nurse contract and they will still be competitive. Btw doesn’t the player have to want to defer ?


Serious question what’s the lowest salary cap of a cup winner since we had the cap?

 

[britdevil]

It's a long way off, but Jack's next contract is going to be astronomical.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

It's a long way off, but Jack's next contract is going to be astronomical.

Think he'll age well so I have no problem with backing up the Brinks for him. Nico gives me slight hesitation and I'm sure he won't give us a discount with the amount of sheer losing we've done with him but hopefully we can rip off a few long playoffs runs here to keep him at a healthy number

 

[Billdo]

Think he'll age well so I have no problem with backing up the Brinks for him. Nico gives me slight hesitation and I'm sure he won't give us a discount with the amount of sheer losing we've done with him but hopefully we can rip off a few long playoffs runs here to keep him at a healthy number

Losing is problematic for Nico with regard to paying him but health isn't a concern for Jack?

 

[Goptor]

Eh I’ve heard the doom and gloom about the cap for years on here. It’s going to go up they will find a way to offload the nurse contract and they will still be competitive.


Serious question what’s the lowest salary cap of a cup winner since we had the cap?

Every cup winner from 2010 (start of circumvention contracts) to 2019 had a front loaded contract to reduce cap hit.
Most cup finals losers from that time had a front loaded circumvention contract to reduce cap hit.

It was a huge competitive advantage and those teams were only teams to win for an entire era. Having someone like Hossa for $5.25m cap hit instead of a $7.9m hit was necessary.

 

[Devs3cups]

Think he'll age well so I have no problem with backing up the Brinks for him. Nico gives me slight hesitation and I'm sure he won't give us a discount with the amount of sheer losing we've done with him but hopefully we can rip off a few long playoffs runs here to keep him at a healthy number

3 years until then, I don’t have any worries about Nico’s next deal tbh.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Edmonton not deferring money and lowering the cap hit is a fireable offense.

Having Drai and McD on circumvention contracts would set them up for a dynasty. Having them on high cap contracts when half the league is deferring money means last year and this year will be their best chance at a cup.

My friend, you do not understand the mechanics of the deferral contracts. There is no meaningful discount in this rate environment.

It's just a different way of paying out money that gives a different total contract dollar amount. It is not an AAV hack, it is not a secret, and there are millions of good reasons most contracts don't include them, for both team and player friendly reasons.

The deferral "discount" has more to do without accounting than it does cap management.

 

[JrFischer54]

Think he'll age well so I have no problem with backing up the Brinks for him. Nico gives me slight hesitation and I'm sure he won't give us a discount with the amount of sheer losing we've done with him but hopefully we can rip off a few long playoffs runs here to keep him at a healthy number

Jack has huge issues with health that if it doesn’t change I can def see devils having hesitation on that massive deal

Jack deal if all healthy easily 18

 

[AfroThunder396]

I think Nico takes a lot of pride in being the Devils captain and that he will genuinely want to stay for anything reasonable. His roots seem to be planted deep.

I worry more about the losing affecting Jack - he seems more likely to lose his temper and make an emotional decision. I can definitely see a world where we lose too long and he becomes a malcontent like Eichel did in Buffalo (especially if his health goes sideways). But we have Luke, hopefully locked up long term, and Jack won't need a contract for some time.

 

[NJDevs26]

My friend, you do not understand the mechanics of the deferral contracts. There is no meaningful discount in this rate environment.

It's just a different way of paying out money that gives a different total contract dollar amount. It is not an AAV hack, it is not a secret, and there are millions of good reasons most contracts don't include them, for both team and player friendly reasons.

The deferral "discount" has more to do without accounting than it does cap management.

The Canes just did a deferral contract that saves them half a million a year on the cap. Maybe that isn't 'meaningful' to you but it's definitely something cap celling teams will try to exploit and that envelope will be pushed more and more until the loophole is closed.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

If the Devils did it we'd get the contract voided and we'd lose a 1st round draft pick.

 

[britdevil]

The Canes just did a deferral contract that saves them half a million a year on the cap. Maybe that isn't 'meaningful' to you but it's definitely something cap celling teams will try to exploit and that envelope will be pushed more and more until the loophole is closed.

Ah so what you're saying is that over the next three years, teams will exploit this and then finally NJ will try it with Nico, leading to Gary blasting us in the ass?