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[Reality Czech]

Time to get hyped??

While I'd love to have Rod the Bod as our coach, not sure I see the Blues winning a bidding war for his services if he does in fact become available. Are the Blues in a position to spend +/- $5 million per year on any coach?

 

[Xerloris]

While I'd love to have Rod the Bod as our coach, not sure I see the Blues winning a bidding war for his services if he does in fact become available. Are the Blues in a position to spend +/- $5 million per year on any coach?

Well I do believe Armstrong said we're not going to be spending to the cap, so that does free up some extra money to blow on a coach. I also think if Stillman believes RBA is the prize then he would be willing to put the money up for it. Just depends on if RBA wants to come back to where it all started and we think it's worth it. I don't think it's "not" having the money to do so.

 

[oPlaiD]

I'm a little late to the Helleybuck conversation, but I'm not sure anyone should discount his performance at all even given how bad the Jets were in that series. Yes, he had the highest xG against total in this playoff round with 19.02 over 5g, ahead of Vasilevsky's 17.29 in 5 and Talbot's 16.2 in 3, but he was also just bad. He gave up 24 goals on those numbers while Talbot and Vasi gave up 16.

-5.0 goals saved above expected total, by far the worst in the round. -1.090 GSAA per 60, more than twice as bad as any goalie who started more than 1 game. The Canucks third string keeper outplayed him by almost a goal per game.

Sure, his team didn't do him any favors, but even the stats adjusted for the quality of scoring chances still placed him as responsible for an entire extra goal given up every game. Any team in the NHL would struggle with that in net, and probably doesn't help the play in front of him if his team loses confidence quickly, even in such a small sample.

 

[TheOrganist]

Super impressed by him, really enjoying watching Stankoven play. Kid is a gamer, super smart and skilled. Great motor, total badger on the puck. He makes a positive impact on pretty much every shift he gets.

He’s got some bad Stank on him. I agree, he’s been very impressive.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Pronger was a complete jerk, and we loved him here because of it.

 

[Spektre]

Well, the good news is that if the oceans ever dry completely up, we just need to drive Spektre to the coast and show him Pietrangelo highlights. Those are some damn salty tears.

You read way too much into things but meh ok I guess

 

[Majorityof1]

You read way too much into things but meh ok I guess

All your posts about this playoffs are clearly biased attacks on Pietrangelo. We get it, you're salty. Watch another series

 

[Thallis]

I don't think Vegas will regret signing him, but just goes to show there are two sides to every deal and there are risks that come with giving a player everything he wants. Vegas surely is fascinating and they make a great villain for hockey fans to root against.

Though I gotta admit seeing Petro's mistake partly cost them game 4 and his dumb penalty lead to Dallas' winning goal in game 5 brings me great joy. He's shown his true colors with the slash on Draisaitl and the backhand punch to Seguin. Petro is kind of a jerk.

Well nobody can call him captain creampuff anymore.

Vegas got a cup from signing Pietrangelo, they aren't regretting the last 3 years of the deal at all.

 

[Majorityof1]

Well nobody can call him captain creampuff anymore.

Yes they will. You are assuming the anti-Pietrangelo crowd operate with anything resembling rational thought. Whatever he does, it's bad because their self-worth is somehow tied to being right that he is bad.

 

[TheDizee]

Yes they will. You are assuming the anti-Pietrangelo crowd operate with anything resembling rational thought. Whatever he does, it's bad because their self-worth is somehow tied to being right that he is bad.

You thought Brian Elliott was a cup quality goaltender when he could not even outperform Jake Allen in the playoffs here.

 

[Reality Czech]

Well nobody can call him captain creampuff anymore.

Vegas got a cup from signing Pietrangelo, they aren't regretting the last 3 years of the deal at all.

Captain Cheapshot? What made Petro so ornery I wonder? If Dallas is winning big in game 6 or 7 he needs to exact retribution on Benn for the sitting incident.

 

[Spektre]

All your posts about this playoffs are clearly biased attacks on Pietrangelo. We get it, you're salty. Watch another series

All 3 of my posts?? lol

He's stood out in the games I've watched and has made some terrible plays. You're free to think whatever you want of course, but I could really care less what team Pietrangelo plays for.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Yes they will. You are assuming the anti-Pietrangelo crowd operate with anything resembling rational thought. Whatever he does, it's bad because their self-worth is somehow tied to being right that he is bad.

I think he’s a great player, but I don’t like him because he chose to leave. He was always a little bit of a prickly personality. You forgive that in guys in your team, but not in opponents.

I don’t like Vegas, except for Barbashev, so it’s easy to enjoy watching Pietro take dumb penalties, with a big impact on the outcome of the last two games. Doesn’t mean I don’t think Pietro is good.

I think that outlook is pretty common among Blues fans and posters here. I don’t see why it deserves ridicule.

 

[joe galiba]

punching him is fine, punching him at that point was a mistake
pick your spots

 

[Thallis]

punching hime is fine, punching him at that point was a mistake
pick your spots

It's probably not even a penalty if he doesn't catch the visor

 

[Reality Czech]

Yes they will. You are assuming the anti-Pietrangelo crowd operate with anything resembling rational thought. Whatever he does, it's bad because their self-worth is somehow tied to being right that he is bad.

Disliking a player who leaves your team is normal. The ones defending him to the ends of the earth are the ones with issues. We got people on this forum that don't even seem to like or support the Blues. Why even come to this forum in that case? The Golden Knights board is pretty dead, I'm sure they would welcome new posters.

Saying Pietrangelo is a bad player is irrational but saying he's got personality issues is totally fair. I hope Vegas goes down in flames and the fans turn on Petro just like he turned his back on us.

 

[Majorityof1]

I think he’s a great player, but I don’t like him because he chose to leave. He was always a little bit of a prickly personality. You forgive that in guys in your team, but not in opponents.

I don’t like Vegas, except for Barbashev, so it’s easy to enjoy watching Pietro take dumb penalties, with a big impact on the outcome of the last two games. Doesn’t mean I don’t think Pietro is good.

I think that outlook is pretty common among Blues fans and posters here. I don’t see why it deserves ridicule.

I don't care how common it is. Hating the first player in your favorite franchise's history to hoist the cup after 50+ years because he took an objectively better deal to play elsewhere makes no sense to me. Calling him a dumb f*** for a bad penalty is clearly salty. They revere Binnington for so much worse.

They make snide comments every time Piertangelo has a bad game or makes a mistake. Some of us are still fans of his and grateful for what he did for this franchise. So it's hard to take. When we reply back? We're told wecan't let it go or aren't Blues fans lol Idgaf. I'm going to call it like I see it, and posts like the below are no better than the jealousy of a spurned lover...

Disliking a player who leaves your team is normal. The ones defending him to the ends of the earth are the ones with issues. We got people on this forum that don't even seem to like or support the Blues. Why even come to this forum in that case? The Golden Knights board is pretty dead, I'm sure they would welcome new posters.

Saying Pietrangelo is a bad player is irrational but saying he's got personality issues is totally fair. I hope Vegas goes down in flames and the fans turn on Petro just like he turned his back on us.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Between the suspension in last year's playoffs that could have cost his team their season and now this penalty that gave Dallas a major boost in a very important game, I think it's interesting how you'll go down into the muck to argue against those pointing our Pietrangelo's "antics" but you want Jordan Binnington off the team ASAP for his.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

You thought Brian Elliott was a cup quality goaltender when he could not even outperform Jake Allen in the playoffs here.

Quite an interesting argument here. The guy who couldn’t even make it out of the first round is a better playoff performer than the guy who got us to a conference final in his only real try as our starter. Fascinating logic here. Real crack stuff.

 

[Majorityof1]

Between the suspension in last year's playoffs that could have cost his team their season and now this penalty that gave Dallas a major boost in a very important game, I think it's interesting how you'll go down into the muck to argue against those pointing our Pietrangelo's "antics" but you want Jordan Binnington off the team ASAP for his.

A 1-game suspension for a slash and a 2 minute minor both during play on one side. Swinging a stick at someone's head after the play stopped running by the other team's bench swinging at multiple people after the game stopped and throwing objects at a player during their post game interview when tge game was completely over? Maybe I am biased but those seem miles different to me.

Both Pietrangelo's are bad plays, no doubt. Less so with the nothinh burger with seguin.
He dwung his arm back at a guy pushing him afainst the board with the puck gone. Either way, they were bad hockey plays in the heat of competition unlike Binnington trying to fight a whole team's bench between whistles.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I don't care how common it is. Hating the first player in your favorite franchise's history to hoist the cup after 50+ years because he took an objectively better deal to play elsewhere makes no sense to me. Calling him a dumb f*** for a bad penalty is clearly salty. They revere Binnington for so much worse.

They make snide comments every time Piertangelo has a bad game or makes a mistake. Some of us are still fans of his and grateful for what he did for this franchise. So it's hard to take. When we reply back? We're told wecan't let it go or aren't Blues fans lol Idgaf. I'm going to call it like I see it, and posts like the below are no better than the jealousy of a spurned lover...

This sounds about as frustrating as being constantly told it was entirely Armstrong’s doing and Pietro really wanted to stay. I’d just as soon neither type of comment elicit responses.

I like Steve Ott. I get that it was maddening playing against him, but I appreciated him as a player and even more as a coach. The here are some in here that hate him. I know because they’ve made that clear repeatedly. Doesn’t change my opinion, and I don’t tend to respond when someone makes a critical comment.

 

[Majorityof1]

This sounds about as frustrating as being constantly told it was entirely Armstrong’s doing and Pietro really wanted to stay. I’d just as soon neither type of comment elicit responses.

I like Steve Ott. I get that it was maddening playing against him, but I appreciated him as a player and even more as a coach. The here are some in here that hate him. I know because they’ve made that clear repeatedly. Doesn’t change my opinion, and I don’t tend to respond when someone makes a critical comment.

You've commented plenty about my Ott dislike.

 

[TheDizee]

Quite an interesting argument here. The guy who couldn’t even make it out of the first round is a better playoff performer than the guy who got us to a conference final in his only real try as our starter. Fascinating logic here. Real crack stuff.

Allen stole a series vs Minnesota alone and then played superb against Trashville but Rinne was a lil better.

Elliott stunk up the joint in the postseason so bad he forced Army to trade for Miller then Hitch benched him for Games 4 and 5 vs Ref Jose in 2016.

How many cups does Elliott have again? Cause Jake has 1.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Allen stole a series vs Minnesota alone and then played superb against Trashville but Rinne was a lil better.

Elliott stunk up the joint in the postseason so bad he forced Army to trade for Miller then Hitch benched him for Games 4 and 5 vs Ref Jose in 2016.

How many cups does Elliott have again? Cause Jake has 1.

Yeah, Jake Allen is right up there with Mike Del Zotto.

You've commented plenty about my Ott dislike.

Hey, what made you think I meant YOU?!

 

[ezcreepin]

Allen stole a series vs Minnesota alone and then played superb against Trashville but Rinne was a lil better.

Elliott stunk up the joint in the postseason so bad he forced Army to trade for Miller then Hitch benched him for Games 4 and 5 vs Ref Jose in 2016.

How many cups does Elliott have again? Cause Jake has 1.

Allen absolutely stole a series from Minnesota, but he was not superb against Nashville. In fact he wasn't even average during that series.

Allen: .909 sv%, 2.40 gaa

Rinne: .932 sv%, 1.86 gaa

2017 Playoff averages: .920 sv%, 2.36 gaa

As far as Elliott is concerned, he had one bad season where he posted .907 sv% and 2.28 gaa when the league average was .912 sv% and 2.54 gaa. Below league average in save percentage, but still kept up with the league in goals against. Whether or not it was because of the team doesn't matter, he didn't crumble under the strategy. He DID get sent down to the AHL for a stint during 2012-13, but he started 6 games that year in the playoffs and posted a .919 sv% and a 1.90 gaa. I'm gonna bet he was more than ok as a goalie in the playoffs then, and over his career with the Blues he was more than ok. Also he has 1 cup just as Allen does.