Around the NHL 11 - 2023/24

[surixon]

I bet that the Jets would prefer to announce the signing closer to the season to produce some hype.

I think it's more everyone knows how Chevy negotiates by now and vice versa. He is very much about deadlines and TC is the next major deadline.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

@Buffdog finally someone gets that it's a joke

We have smileys to give tone to posts. Its a joke? Use Its sarcasm? Use

Simple way to greatly reduce misunderstandings.

 

[surixon]

I've also thought bridge for Cole - and still think that is where this is going.
I see no reason for the Jets to go long term on this one -
LY was the first real look at this player and he struggled a bit in the back half when things usually ramp up.
I'm in Perfetti's corner - but I don't see any reason to go up against the cap ceiling to make a deal they do not have to make.

That is a bit disingenuous, they had 50 games of him the year before.

He had a 90 game straight stretch where he posted 60 points before slumping a bit. I'd say that's decently proven and should have warranted more trust the back half from the org.

Buying now while he's likely undervalued due to usage and a slump is how you get massive gains on your cap later.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I thought it was obvious since Perfetti is clearly our 2C

Again, not sure if you're serious. OK, OK, that one is too obvious. Must be more

That is a bit disingenuous, they had 50 games of him the year before.

He had a 90 game straight stretch where he posted 60 points before slumping a bit. I'd say that's decently proven and should have warranted more trust the back half from the org.

Buying now while he's likely undervalued due to usage and a slump is how you get massive gains on your cap later.

Exactly!

So why would Cole want to sign long term? Security? OK, but he could be giving up a lot to get that.

 

[surixon]

Again, not sure if you're serious. OK, OK, that one is too obvious. Must be more



Exactly!

So why would Cole want to sign long term? Security? OK, but he could be giving up a lot to get that.

I personally wouldn't if I were him, but all the chatter seems to be he's willing to sign for tern. If true if I'm Chevy I'd be trying to get another bargain long term deal done. We will need some younger players on bargain deals to offset the older ones on big money declining deals.

 

[bustamente]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1825981735735001473

 

[LowLefty]

That is a bit disingenuous, they had 50 games of him the year before.

He had a 90 game straight stretch where he posted 60 points before slumping a bit. I'd say that's decently proven and should have warranted more trust the back half from the org.

Buying now while he's likely undervalued due to usage and a slump is how you get massive gains on your cap later.

I still think last yr would be the measuring stick -
Just my thoughts - I don't see any reason why the Jets would be in a hurry - especially when they have to exhaust the cap to do it.
I simply do not think this is risk free - was it usage or a slump? Or was it simply a learning curve that needs to be retested?
I know you answer - you've already stated it. But I'm looking at this purely based on performance.

 

[KingBogo]

I've also thought bridge for Cole - and still think that is where this is going.
I see no reason for the Jets to go long term on this one -
LY was the first real look at this player and he struggled a bit in the back half when things usually ramp up.
I'm in Perfetti's corner - but I don't see any reason to go up against the cap ceiling to make a deal they do not have to make.

Its always a trade off. Inking him now long term might save money down the line for the Jets if he has a breakout season. Also allows a player to at least get paid once so your long term future is secured. A 6 or 7 year deal also puts Perfetti in the best possible position to get the big UFA contract in his late 20's.

 

[KingBogo]

I still think last yr would be the measuring stick -
Just my thoughts - I don't see any reason why the Jets would be in a hurry - especially when they have to exhaust the cap to do it.
I simply do not think this is risk free - was it usage or a slump? Or was it simply a learning curve that needs to be retested?
I know you answer - you've already stated it. But I'm looking at this purely based on performance.

With proper usage Perfetti seems to be pretty much a lock to be a 20G - 40A - 60P guy minimum as he matures. Likely he exceeds that to some extent, maybe really exceeds that. I don't see a long term deal as that much of a gamble as we know he is at worst a 2nd line winger.

 

[surixon]

I still think last yr would be the measuring stick -
Just my thoughts - I don't see any reason why the Jets would be in a hurry - especially when they have to exhaust the cap to do it.
I simply do not think this is risk free - was it usage or a slump? Or was it simply a learning curve that needs to be retested?
I know you answer - you've already stated it. But I'm looking at this purely based on performance.

We could say the same about Beniers who posted a worse year then Cole on a worse team with better usage and just inked for ovr $7 million. You need to take some risks on young players or you dont get any long term cap savings.

People make far too much out of his slump. It was really only 10 games in the top 6 before being demoted until the end where he finished the year with 6 points in his last 5 games while helping pull the team out of its late season death spiral once reinserted into the top 6.

Anyhow all contracts are risks but you can't discount pretty much him playing consistently at a 2nd line level for the 1st 100 or so games of his career while focusing heavily on a much shorter bad stretch.

With proper usage Perfetti seems to be pretty much a lock to be a 20G - 40A - 60P guy minimum as he matures. Likely he exceeds that to some extent, maybe really exceeds that. I don't see a long term deal as that much of a gamble as we know he is at worst a 2nd line winger.

Agreed, he has pretty much done this over his first 100 games while not getting fist unit or other offensive situation usage.

Give him 16 to 17 minutes a game and I think he's a real good bet for 65 to 70 points depending on pp time.

 

[Huffer]

Lundells 6 years at 5M is another good comp as well.

 

[surixon]

Lundells 6 years at 5M is another good comp as well.

Yeah but thats in a Tax free state so it would cost more here. Plus doubt the org entertains a 5 year term.

 

[Huffer]

Yeah but thats in a Tax free state so it would cost more here. Plus doubt the org entertains a 5 year term.

I'd rather not a 5 year term as well.

 

[KingBogo]

Again, not sure if you're serious. OK, OK, that one is too obvious. Must be more



Exactly!

So why would Cole want to sign long term? Security? OK, but he could be giving up a lot to get that.

There is also strategy of maximizing your next deal. Players usually have their peak points production season somewhere in their late 20's. If you are 28 or 29 coming off a career year you can maximize a UFA deal.

Yeah but thats in a Tax free state so it would cost more here. Plus doubt the org entertains a 5 year term.

Agreed teams like Florida, TB, NYR, Dallas and LA can do things other teams can't for various location considerations.

 

[NA Hockey]

I still think last yr would be the measuring stick -
Just my thoughts - I don't see any reason why the Jets would be in a hurry - especially when they have to exhaust the cap to do it.
I simply do not think this is risk free - was it usage or a slump? Or was it simply a learning curve that needs to be retested?
I know you answer - you've already stated it. But I'm looking at this purely based on performance

Beniers got $50m over 7 years all whole producing less points, less goals, worse underlying statistics than Cole, last year. He also played 7 minutes a night more. So based on pure performance he should get something in that range. Did Beniers have a down year or is it who he is? That’s the bet that Seattle is making.

 

[cbcwpg]

yay! I can wear my Laine's jersey again!

Gotta change the number though... Laine said to be wearing 92.... since 29 is retired by some goalie.

 

[KingBogo]

Beniers got $50m over 7 years all whole producing less points, less goals, worse underlying statistics than Cole, last year. He also played 7 minutes a night more. So based on pure performance he should get something in that range. Did Beniers have a down year or is it who he is? That’s the bet that Seattle is making.

Beniers had a great rookie season, before a down second season which isn't unusual. Also he is a 6.2 center and a 2nd OA pick. Perfetti probably comes in about $1 M less than him on the same length of contract.

 

[Buffdog]

Chevy might give Perfetti some extra $ on a long term deal just to have to negotiate with overcharge one or two less times

 

[surixon]

Beniers had a great rookie season, before a down second season which isn't unusual. Also he is a 6.2 center and a 2nd OA pick. Perfetti probably comes in about $1 M less than him on the same length of contract.

Yup. He's worth more then Cole but is a good case study that young players no matter the talent or pedigree slump at times.

 

[MelikeJets]

I am convinced a bridge deal is coming for Perfetti. 2 x $5 million is my guesstimate

 

[KingBogo]

Yup. He's worth more then Cole but is a good case study that young players no matter the talent or pedigree slump at times.

And the organization did no favours for Perfetti to get out of his slump. For me that was on Bones. For me when a young talented player struggles a bit give him some time with the #1 center and top PP and let him feel offense again.

 

[NA Hockey]

Beniers had a great rookie season, before a down second season which isn't unusual. Also he is a 6.2 center and a 2nd OA pick. Perfetti probably comes in about $1 M less than him on the same length of contract.

I agree with some of what you are saying. I was responding to a post that said it should be based on performance last year where Cole had better numbers in significantly less ice time.

 

[KingBogo]

I am convinced a bridge deal is coming for Perfetti. 2 x $5 million is my guesstimate

If they go $5M AAV on a bridge there is absolutely no reason not to do a million more or so on a long term deal. A bridge would be in and around $3.5 AAV.

 

[bustamente]

I'm think that Koal grabs the second line centre roll this year, I also think he sign long term just before camp starts

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There is also strategy of maximizing your next deal. Players usually have their peak points production season somewhere in their late 20's. If you are 28 or 29 coming off a career year you can maximize a UFA deal.

I think the peak production comes more in the mid 20s. Don't have a study to back that up, just a few individuals that I've noticed.