Have you seen the Jets without scheifele over the years? And then add Helle out too.
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kanadalainen
A pint of dark matter, please.
And your point is that this board is populated with hypocrites?
Lets back up and simmer down.
The biggest disconnect is that Stone or Eichel will be far too wounded to play game 82 in the regular season... but then wait for it... leap forth, dance out, magically prance onto the practice sheet, miraculously healthy and fit just prior to the first round. The denizens of Las Vegas will shake their heads in amazement, amazement I tell you.
McCrimmon is a ruthless little bastard, make no mistake.
EDIT: I'd like to shake the hand of the *decision maker* who manipulates the clinical input, thus influencing care to the vaunted Mystery Golden Plastic Brain Surgeons.
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And your point is that this board is populated with hypocrites?
Lets back up and simmer down.
The biggest disconnect is that Stone or Eichel will be far too wounded to play game 82 in the regular season... but then wait for it... leap forth, dance out, magically prance onto the practice sheet, miraculously healthy and fit just prior to the first round. The denizens of Las Vegas will shake their heads in amazement, amazement I tell you.
McCrimmon is a ruthless little bastard, make no mistake.
I'd like to shake the hand of the quack administering care to the vaunted Mystery Golden Plastic Brain Surgeons. He is a well paid excellent quack, adhering to every tenet of the hippocratic oath. And the holy golden rake.
Don't disagree on the characterization of McCrimmon / LVK, but in defence of my fellow sawbones, and with some experience, I'd imagine the conversation went something like this:
GMKM: So, Stonesy's a bit banged up. He swears he can play, but we figure a few weeks of rest will help that annular disc tear and/ or [INSERT AILMENT HERE]. Whacha think?
DOC: Well, Mr. Stone has significant preexisting trauma and scans do suggest a mild progression --
GMKM: He's hurtin, Doc. Up half the night with the turrible pain.
DOC: Okay, well as you know it's a collision sport, and we definitely want to reduce the risk of specific, pronounced axial load game in game out --
GMKM: (consulting calendar) So, rest and rehab until.... say, April 22nd?
DOC: Well I wouldn't want to specify an exact date...
GMKM: April 22 it is! Written in Stone -- get it? Thanks Gary... erm, Doc. We'll take it from here.
DOC: But I can't --
GMKM (pulls lever for trapdoor): Next!
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Remember when Mark Stone had that back injury that was possibly career ending? It makes me a tad cynical, also very convenient timing before the TD for this current injury.
The Kucherov saga was still worse though, gets legit hip surgery but times it so he makes it back for the playoffs but not a day sooner.
“The Tampa Bay Lightning, who repeated as Stanley Cup champions in the summer of 2021, ruffled more than a few feathers when superstar Russian forward Nikita Kucherov returned for the postseason after missing the regular season while being placed on LTIR. The move enabled the Lightning to maximize their salary cap spending, and according to the rules, Kucherov was eligible to return for the postseason, but wouldn’t have been able to play in the regular season. Since players are not paid in the playoffs, GM Julien BriseBois having was able to re-insert Kucherov into the lineup, despite being 18 million dollars above the salary cap”.
Now I believe Kucherov was injured and did get surgery but if he misses the entire season so should have he been allowed to play in the playoffs? It allowed the Lightning to be 18 million over the cap during the playoffs.
To be fair this is all happening within the rules so my problem is with the rules not really the teams that exploit it.
The Kucherov saga was still worse though, gets legit hip surgery but times it so he makes it back for the playoffs but not a day sooner.
“The Tampa Bay Lightning, who repeated as Stanley Cup champions in the summer of 2021, ruffled more than a few feathers when superstar Russian forward Nikita Kucherov returned for the postseason after missing the regular season while being placed on LTIR. The move enabled the Lightning to maximize their salary cap spending, and according to the rules, Kucherov was eligible to return for the postseason, but wouldn’t have been able to play in the regular season. Since players are not paid in the playoffs, GM Julien BriseBois having was able to re-insert Kucherov into the lineup, despite being 18 million dollars above the salary cap”.
Now I believe Kucherov was injured and did get surgery but if he misses the entire season so should have he been allowed to play in the playoffs? It allowed the Lightning to be 18 million over the cap during the playoffs.
To be fair this is all happening within the rules so my problem is with the rules not really the teams that exploit it.
Buffdog
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I guess the simplest answers would be that you can't finish the season on LTIR and play in the first round of the playoffs OR each game in the playoffs, the salaries of roster iced must be under the cap?
If I'm gonna Steel Man those ideas, I'd say that it might lead to players playing hurt towards the end of the year to ensure playoff eligibility. My second idea isn't *technically* how the cap works since it's based on daily pay, etc
Nobody would give a shit if it was happening to some 4th liner on a team that got bounced in the first round BUT the fact that it's superstars on teams that end up winning the cup makes it look very suspicious. AND the fact it happened to the exact same team two years in a row (this time with not one but TWO superstars?)
I had ONE neighbor on my street have 3 brand new cars burn overnight. The first one was parked on the street away from his house (none of us had ever seen him park the car on the street before)... the other two happened at the same time 18 months later... both in his driveway, but parked nose to nose... again, nobody had ever seen him park his cars like that
So is it possible the first one was a freak accident? Sure... but to happen AGAIN? Come on....
If I'm gonna Steel Man those ideas, I'd say that it might lead to players playing hurt towards the end of the year to ensure playoff eligibility. My second idea isn't *technically* how the cap works since it's based on daily pay, etc
Nobody would give a shit if it was happening to some 4th liner on a team that got bounced in the first round BUT the fact that it's superstars on teams that end up winning the cup makes it look very suspicious. AND the fact it happened to the exact same team two years in a row (this time with not one but TWO superstars?)
I had ONE neighbor on my street have 3 brand new cars burn overnight. The first one was parked on the street away from his house (none of us had ever seen him park the car on the street before)... the other two happened at the same time 18 months later... both in his driveway, but parked nose to nose... again, nobody had ever seen him park his cars like that
So is it possible the first one was a freak accident? Sure... but to happen AGAIN? Come on....
kanadalainen
A pint of dark matter, please.
Yes, I think you've nailed this, are are correct. My opinion is altered as is my original post! Thanks for that.
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Inanna
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It's so easy to fix. Your playoff roster must be cap compliant. That's it.
nobody imp0rtant
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Oh, I'm sure it's some sketchy back door deals preventing it. It wouldn't have anything to do with the CBA (from a player perspecitive) and you'd think MOST of the teams (especially those who are budget conscious) would want this.
No worries at all, a healthy does of scepticism is def understandable where such cases care concerned.
And both personal experience and campfire stories suggest that queries of "Can injury X possibly be treated until date Y?" are not unheard of. OTOH, professional athletes often find remediation and rehab trying and want to get back to work, partly because their contributions and their perceived durability are going to be priced into any future contract,. and any physician / surgeon / therapist worth their salt want to do right by a patient. Treatment trajectories have some elasticity built in as a matter of course, since the human body is unpredictable and patients should -- especially when they're high-priced "assets" -- have the last word on their own readiness to return to competition.
Teams can and sometimes do exploit that elasticity, it seems.
DeepFrickinValue
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This could be the reason vegas traded for these old rubber bands. If you can write off a player for maintenance for the last quarter of the season it is a massive benefit. Lots of science about load management and chronic injuries. Neck surgeries are finicky.
I would think Gary Robert’s would be a similar type of situation if he played today. Cam Neely, Gretzky, Lemieux Al May have been in similar situations perhaps?
Vegas is just smarter and worked a loophole perf.
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cbcwpg
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It's easy to fix.... get a Canadian team to try all this LTIR magic... the NHL would put a stop to it before the ink on the LTIR form dried.
Unless it was Toronto, then it would be fine.
How many time did Lemieux play in Winnipeg vs. how many time he could have played in Winnipeg?
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We just discovered Ehlers handle on this forum...
bustamente
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Toronto has 17+ million on LTIR, 3 of them will probably never play again, they have made some bad signings but get relief for the salary cap
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kanadalainen
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