Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[Blotto71]

Why is a shitty team like the Hawks getting a game like this? Gotta go for a matchup of teams where the game will actually matter to both.

My thought exactly!!

 

[GCK]

Yes, particularly Stutzle and Sanderson, we'll be as good as they become

Best core is wishful thinking though, no? I mean, Point, Kucherov, Hagel or Matthews, Nylander and Marner... Barkov, Reinhart, Tkachuk... hard to beat

That said, as many teams have shown it's not just about the top players. If not, Oilers would already have Cups. This is not basketball, you need to have a full team stacked with quality.



Like with Connor Brown when he left, did we compare with the guy who only played 4 games that season? We are comparing the replacement with what WE HAD. I'd much rather have what we had in Joseph than what we have in Amadio. Would Joseph still be as good IF he stayed here? Of course it's up in the air but don't see why not.


Every single team have or will have high end talent... I don't think we'll be able to distance ourselves with Sanderson/Stutzle/Tkachuk... need to have a lot more depth

For Montreal, it's clearly Suzuki-Caufield-Hutson right now, even though Montembault is the true hero IMO.

Really, I think long term it's really Detroit and Boston I am the less worried about. For Tampa, it has gotta stop at some point, but Kucherov, Point, Hedman, Hagel, Guentzel, Cirelli, Vasilevskiy... damn so much game changing talent.

You skipped over Brady.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

My thought exactly!!

Right?!?! Makes no sense to me even though they're a popular original 6 team. I turned it on for about 5 minutes and moved on.

 

[bicboi64]

Seriously. f*** the Habs above all else. I'll even cheer for the Leafs over the Habs if it comes to that.

You're built different than me. When its TML vs MTL, I never know who to cheer against, and when they matched up in the playoffs a few years back, it felt so awkward because I just wanted both teams to do so bad lol

I guess if I really had to, I'd cheer against TML more than MTL in another hypothetical playoff series. If MTL wins the cup, I won't be affected by the celebrations. But as a GTA dweller, my surrounding infrastructure can't handle TML having playoff success lol

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

You're built different than me. When its TML vs MTL, I never know who to cheer against, and when they matched up in the playoffs a few years back, it felt so awkward because I just wanted both teams to do so bad lol

I guess if I really had to, I'd cheer against TML more than MTL in another hypothetical playoff series. If MTL wins the cup, I won't be affected by the celebrations. But as a GTA dweller, my surrounding infrastructure can't handle TML having playoff success lol

Ya, where you live can be the difference. I'm sure it's a bit of a fluid situation that could just as easily flip for me, I just really REALLY grew to hate the Habs and their fans during our last couple playoffs rounds against them. Losing to them infuriated me more than I'd felt since the last Leafs playoff loss. The rivalry feels fresher mostly. It's been kind of dead against Toronto for a long while with no playoff series' and them only ever falling on their faces anyways.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

These outdoor games really need to go extinct. Not fun to watch at all.

As for Pettersson...that kid is bad news. He's been acting like a 15-year-old emo teenager since the day he was drafted. Who wants a petulant child in the locker room? Especially one making superstar money? Not to mention the kid is like 102 pounds and already damaged goods. He is a good hockey player....but he isn't worth having on the team, even at a cheap price.

 

[StoicSensFan]

but seriously, I'll stop talking about them completely

For how long? The rest of this year?

 

[milkbag]

For how long? The rest of this year?

Guys gonna have an aneurysm not being able to sneak them into any conversation he can

 

[Blotto71]

Right?!?! Makes no sense to me even though they're a popular original 6 team. I turned it on for about 5 minutes and moved on.

Not the marquee match up needed to "grow the game".

 

[JD1]

Can we stop talking about the Habs lol? it's criminal here

It's you. YOU need to stop talking about the Habs.

 

[JD1]

I wonder if there's a guy on the Habs board that's obsessed with the Sens?

It took the full 365 days, but I think we found our post of the year

 

[Senscore]

We should be talking about how much Pittsburgh needs to f*** off away from our playoff spot

 

[UglyPuckling]

We should be talking about how much Pittsburgh needs to f*** off away from our playoff spot

Or alternatively and more optimistic, we should be talking about Ottawa moving into Boston’s current playoff spot. They are 4 points ahead of us, but we have 3 games in hand.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I wonder if there's a guy on the Habs board that's obsessed with the Sens?

It might be the same guy.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

This Winter "Classic" is an all-time turd!! {explosive fart noise here}

 

[SensHulk]

TML will always be the more hated team for me. MTL second. Those battles of ontario still live rent free in my heads, want revenge and nothing but the worst for the leafs and their belligerent fans

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

His brother Cole is putting on a show at the WJC


Size and Pims and being a hopeful , some day this big project will bloom is one thing .. and we have those things a plenty. How bout a smaller guy that can just flat out play .. nope none of that here.. he can't do this and he can't do that and he's small

Lane was 62OA in the 22 draft where Dorion gave up 7th OA , 39 OA and 2024 3rd round pick. Sens picked Filip Nordberg 64.

Cole was 43 OA in the 24 draft. Sens picked Eliasson 39.

Hutson was ranked 26 by Button, 47 by McKenzie's scouts, 55 by NHL Central
Eliasson was ranked 55 by McKenzie's scouts, 29 by NHL Central scouting

Eliasson wasn't a huge reach and the NHL scouts generally like Big and Mean when it comes to D. The whole story has a while to play out to see what Eliasson can become.

Still it would have been very surprising for this scouting group to pick a player like Lane or Cole Hutson regardless of what they seem to be able to do exceptionally well.

 

[Xspyrit]

This such a dumb argument since 4 games isn't enough to judge how he's playing and he had a career altering injury. No such thing happened to Joseph.

Watch Joseph, judge how good he's playing. It's really not that hard. He was overated last year because of a hot start that wasn't sustainable (over 18% on ice sh % and a GF/60 that more than doubled the expected over his first 16 games), otherwise a pedestrian player, not bad but nothing special.

It was evident he was going to regress statistically this year, though I'll admit he exceeded my expectations in terms of how bad he's be,

The point had nothing to do with all this though but more with the "butterfly effect". If Brown was not traded, he probably wouldn't have suffered this injury. That's why I am not looking at Brown and what he did once he left but the known quality of what he was doing here.

What you find DUMB is for me the reality of the world of gravity I live in. Connor would have been in a different time and space point if he was never traded.

I am not watching the Blues, caught a few periods there and there, he was injured I think. I found Joseph was a lot more impactful last season (just the PK is a big part) than Amadio has been. But it's ok, just like Tierney, Amadio is not my kind of player at all. But that's the thing, it's really not about Joseph anymore, it is that I wish we invested the money on Perron + Amadio differently. My problem with the Joseph departure is more spending the 3rd round pick, right after previous management dilapidated a ton of assets.

It's like you can't talk about things here without them being linked to something else. I initially said that "Both Perron and Amadio signings are clearly not working out so far, 2 goals, 10 pts in 42 games for 6.6 AAV"

You skipped over Brady.

Yeah, he's an impact forward but I don't find he's in the same tier as the other guys named. I know I tried to defend Brady in the Marner vs Tkachuk thread but that was with cap hits included. Without contracts in consideration, I have no choice to admit Brady is not the same level, particularly if you stats looking at defensive play. I think it's one thing holding him back.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I have this vague memory that Connor Brown asked to be moved, am I misremembering that? He required a new contract, so just keeping him would have expired without another buy in from him.

 

[Boud]

I have this vague memory that Connor Brown asked to be moved, am I misremembering that? He required a new contract, so just keeping him would have expired without another buy in from him.

He did not. We traded him before the season started and he was UFA at the end of the year. He was due for a new contract but they could’ve kept him for the year.

That’s the year Formenton didn’t come back and people were pretty mad that Dorion traded him not considering that we would’ve needed him with the little depth that we had. Paul was also swapped for Joseph at the deadline the year prior. I assume Dorion took that Joseph would replace Brown at a lower cost. Brown was looking at a 4-5M per year contract over 4-6 years at that point. Injuries in the subsequent year really changed his course.

We had added Debrincat and Giroux during that offseason as well.

The Brown trade was simply made because Dorion added other pieces that theoratically made Brown expandable. Had Formenton played it would not have been an issue. Just a lack of foresight there. Otherwise Brown would’ve been gone at the deadline or left as a FA in the offseason.. so in the grand schems of things it was a non-issue.

 

[Xspyrit]

So what you’re saying is,

The girl in red, is the habs
You’re the guy admiring them
The other girl, is the rest of the Sens forum, going what the f***

I am a hockey fan first and foremost, I am the anti-homer as well. I appreciate good hockey players, I respect what other teams do particularly when they build good teams. Blind fandom is literally stupid for me.

I don't want Toronto and Montreal to win because they are direct rivals to my favorite team. My favorite team has been irrelevant for years. I have rooted for many other teams since (even before, always liked teams like Flames or Jets). I have even been admirative of what another team in the Atlantic has done (Lightning) and talked about it plenty in the past.

People make connections and see Montreal as my location, so all this WORLD CHANGING debate probably comes just from that , sometimes it doesn't take a lot for people to go crazy/stupid

What is dumbfounding is that a poster like you, for example, read the mainboards, and has seen me DEFEND/PROMOTE anything Ottawa related for YEARS, yet you come up with these posts. It's like some biases are too strong sometimes to avoid cognitive dissonance. Someone like you should be the first to know how much I mocked Habs homers in the past.

It all started when I said that their rebuild was trending well (which makes me even more annoyed by Dorion's work) and it looks like it's materializing right in front of our eyes so not sure what all these arms up in the air were for in the end.

Anyway, IF not being biased and not being a homer makes me "different", so be it

Seriously. f*** the Habs above all else. I'll even cheer for the Leafs over the Habs if it comes to that.

Same here. Do you remember the 2021 playoffs? There was many posters who were sympathetic to the Habs run and I found it wrong so I tried to argue that we should not root for them. But yet I have been talked as the traitor lmao

For how long? The rest of this year?

Until they pass us in the standings

It's you. YOU need to stop talking about the Habs.

Deal, even when I'll be asked to. Anyway, it's just been repeating the same things over. Their rebuild is trending well even if one wants to keep his head in the sand.

But seriously, I feel really bad for bringing to this board's attention that they were going to be direct competition soon. I hope it will be forgiven and I will be allowed to continue being a Sens fan.

Oh and it makes me think that maybe some who live in the city of their team are not really aware of this, but when you leave in the "enemy's territory", there's actually a lot of REAL LIFE people who try to influence you or make you change your allegiances. Resisting this makes you a real strong fan IMO.

 

[Micklebot]

The point had nothing to do with all this though but more with the "butterfly effect". If Brown was not traded, he probably wouldn't have suffered this injury. That's why I am not looking at Brown and what he did once he left but the known quality of what he was doing here.

What you find DUMB is for me the reality of the world of gravity I live in. Connor would have been in a different time and space point if he was never traded.

I am not watching the Blues, caught a few periods there and there, he was injured I think. I found Joseph was a lot more impactful last season (just the PK is a big part) than Amadio has been. But it's ok, just like Tierney, Amadio is not my kind of player at all. But that's the thing, it's really not about Joseph anymore, it is that I wish we invested the money on Perron + Amadio differently. My problem with the Joseph departure is more spending the 3rd round pick, right after previous management dilapidated a ton of assets.

It's like you can't talk about things here without them being linked to something else. I initially said that "Both Perron and Amadio signings are clearly not working out so far, 2 goals, 10 pts in 42 games for 6.6 AAV"


Yeah, he's an impact forward but I don't find he's in the same tier as the other guys named. I know I tried to defend Brady in the Marner vs Tkachuk thread but that was with cap hits included. Without contracts in consideration, I have no choice to admit Brady is not the same level, particularly if you stats looking at defensive play. I think it's one thing holding him back.

You have no idea how Joseph would perform under a completely different coach in Green, so here or not the butterfly effect remains, assuming he'd play the same as last year if he stayed here is just as big of a leap as he'd play the same as he has in StL. Claiming the brown comparison is just illustrating the butterfly effect is just a false equivalency.

Packaging Perron stats with Amadio makes Amadio seem worse than he has been, yet another framing that the nly serves to muddy the waters instead of actually being informative. Perron has a ton of context that goes along with his performance in his limited outings, another reason why it's incredibly misleading to package them as one.

In the end, we need players that will perform in Greens system, not DJ's, and we need players playing well now, not last year. Amadio fits much better than Joseph imo, particularly the current iteration of Joseph as he's playing with the blues, Staios' job is to build a team that plays well now, not a collection of players that were good last year.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He did not. We traded him before the season started and he was UFA at the end of the year. He was due for a new contract but they could’ve kept him for the year.

That’s the year Formenton didn’t come back and people were pretty mad that Dorion traded him not considering that we would’ve needed him with the little depth that we had. Paul was also swapped for Joseph at the deadline the year prior. I assume Dorion took that Joseph would replace Brown at a lower cost. Brown was looking at a 4-5M per year contract over 4-6 years at that point. Injuries in the subsequent year really changed his course.

We had added Debrincat and Giroux during that offseason as well.

The Brown trade was simply made because Dorion added other pieces that theoratically made Brown expandable. Had Formenton played it would not have been an issue. Just a lack of foresight there. Otherwise Brown would’ve been gone at the deadline or left as a FA in the offseason.. so in the grand schems of things it was a non-issue.

A lot of that I remember, but I also have this memory of a media member saying he was apparently approached with a contract extension and he told the team he planned to go to market the next year. Thought Booboo had floated that out there. All I can find now is reddit threads discussing that as if it were a known fact at the time, so can't back it up or anything. Nor could we trust info coming from the organization at the time since they were such a disaster.

 

[bicboi64]

We should be talking about how much Pittsburgh needs to f*** off away from our playoff spot

Really hope Pittsburgh doesn't do what Washington did last year and squeeze into the playoffs.

NHL would love it, especially if the caps and pens play in the first round, it'd be one last chance to see two legends face off.

Screw the Pens though, they've had enough success and can continue being in no man's land for another decade.

 

[Senscore]

Really hope Pittsburgh doesn't do what Washington did last year and squeeze into the playoffs.

NHL would love it, especially if the caps and pens play in the first round, it'd be one last chance to see two legends face off.

Screw the Pens though, they've had enough success and can continue being in no man's land for another decade.

Pittsburgh has largely been injury free in the first half of the season.


I have to think given the ages of their core players that's not going to last.