Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[Xspyrit]

Hutson literally leads the Habs in even strength time. Guhle would probably be our 3rd best defender and only plays on the third pair here because Chabot and Sandy are ahead of them

Guhle has played a lot of RD for Montreal but if I'm not mistaken now that they have Carrier, he's back at LD, which stabilizes their defense which was their weak spot

Mate I hate the Habs and hope they continue to suck, but there's quite a bit of homerism there.

Yeah it needs to stop and we should start respecting them as direct rivals, they don't need more positive karma or whatever how that works. They're 9-4 since Laine joined the team.

Joseph has been a healthy scratch this year and for good reason, Amadio has simply been the better player. It's too bad Pinto was struggling so much to start the year, I think Amadio would have a lot more points if his center hadn't been struggling so hard. Their underlying numbers were pretty good.

Yes Amadio has good underlying metrics with Perron and Pinto, not so much in other combinations. He's pretty meh and below average for a 3rd liner IMO. Joseph might be bad this year (injuries as usual) but he was pretty good last season, easily above average 3rd liner. I'm never going to compare what they do now as the situation has changed, we're comparing with Joseph when he was here.

Brady and Josh have been close friends for years…. I would think twice before trading away Josh, because I remember what happened when one of Chara’s close friends was traded.

I'm not advocating for us to go after Elias Pettersson, but this is the only real way to acquire EP. Norris salary needs to go the other way and make room for Elias at Center.

 

[bicboi64]

we should start respecting them as direct rivals, they don't need more positive karma or whatever how that works. They're 9-4 since Laine joined the team.

Mate, you're asking me to do something very difficult.

Respecting them in anyway is going to be hard because I am a very petty person when it comes to the 3 NHL teams that I actively hate (TML, MTL, and Anaheim)

 

[Loach]

Habs fans coming to this thread:

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Speak the truth

 

[Senscore]

Bad teams go on hot streaks all the time.

 

[GCK]

As much as I don't want to wish ill on a player, I sincerely hope Hutson is just a flash in the pan this year. Would love for the Habs rebuild to take forever.

Unfortunately, unlike Buffalo, they have good ownership and management so they will continue to get better. Thankfully we have Stu, Sanderson and Brady and now we have good ownership and management.

 

[Xspyrit]

Mate, you're asking me to do something very difficult.

Respecting them in anyway is going to be hard because I am a very petty person when it comes to the 3 NHL teams that I actively hate (TML, MTL, and Anaheim)

Maybe it's a bit of superstition but this season for example, I don't want to talk about the Leafs and their playoffs woes because I don't want to counter jynx them! We need them to continue losing in the first 2 rounds. As for the Habs, I don't know, things are looking good for them right now and there's no Pierre Dorion to mess things up. Need them to have a bit of bad luck someway somehow but can't wish injuries on anyone.

As much as I don't want to wish ill on a player, I sincerely hope Hutson is just a flash in the pan this year. Would love for the Habs rebuild to take forever.

Watch him play, he is for real. The guy will be a producing machine both at ES and PP. I just hope he doesn't become as good as Quinn Hughes, which I (hope) don't think is possible.

Unfortunately, unlike Buffalo, they have good ownership and management so they will continue to get better. Thankfully we have Stu, Sanderson and Brady and now we have good ownership and management.

Which is also why we can't stop looking to improve, the parity in the Altantic is too high and by the time Bruins and Lightning regress, Sabres and Habs might compete more too.

Dorion time is over, now we need to be extremely careful with every single asset, even a 7th round pick.

 

[NyQuil]

Hutson is the real deal.

Just needs some seasoning and the right partner.

There’s no point in being as petty as they were about Karlsson.

It’s guys like Dach and Slafkovsky that are up in the air as far as their developmental endpoint.

 

[GCK]

Maybe it's a bit of superstition but this season for example, I don't want to talk about the Leafs and their playoffs woes because I don't want to counter jynx them! We need them to continue losing in the first 2 rounds. As for the Habs, I don't know, things are looking good for them right now and there's no Pierre Dorion to mess things up. Need them to have a bit of bad luck someway somehow but can't wish injuries on anyone.



Watch him play, he is for real. The guy will be a producing machine both at ES and PP. I just hope he doesn't become as good as Quinn Hughes, which I (hope) don't think is possible.



Which is also why we can't stop looking to improve, the parity in the Altantic is too high and by the time Bruins and Lightning regress, Sabres and Habs might compete more too.

Dorion time is over, now we need to be extremely careful with every single asset, even a 7th round pick.

I think I see where we disagree. With Andlauer and our management, along with Stu, Sanderson and Brady, the Sens will be a tier above. I have extreme confidence that those 3 players are the best core in the Atlantic starting in a couple years.

 

[Micklebot]

Yes Amadio has good underlying metrics with Perron and Pinto, not so much in other combinations. He's pretty meh and below average for a 3rd liner IMO. Joseph might be bad this year (injuries as usual) but he was pretty good last season, easily above average 3rd liner. I'm never going to compare what they do now as the situation has changed, we're comparing with Joseph when he was here.

I'm worried about what these players are today, and today, Amadio has been a far superior player to Joseph. Amadio had a slow start adjusting to a new team but has 10 pts in his last 25 games, basically the same pace as Joseph when here. Meanwhile Joseph worked his way out of the lineup in StL. I know which player I'd take in those circumstances.

 

[bicboi64]

I think I see where we disagree. With Andlauer and our management, along with Stu, Sanderson and Brady, the Sens will be a tier above. I have extreme confidence that those 3 players are the best core in the Atlantic starting in a couple years.

Really hoping TB's core of Kucherov, Hedman, and Vasi starts to decline. Don't think Point and Hagel can do it all on their own.

Florida's Barkov, Reinhart, and MTkachuk is very good and will be good for a bit, but they can't ride them forever without some upgrade on D.

TML's AM34, Nylander, and Rielly has a major weak spot in Rielly.

Boston's Pasta, McAvoy, and Swayman can be elite but everyone else on Boston is declining.

Not sure who even counts as MTL's core lol, no one has emerged as a 'core' piece worth worrying about. If its Guhle, Caufield and Slaf, i'm not too worried.

Really hoping the Atlantic can cool off a bit. It feels like the hardest division in the league.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Hutson is the real deal.
Just needs some seasoning and the right partner.
There’s no point in being as petty as they were about Karlsson.
It’s guys like Dach and Slafkovsky that are up in the air as far as their developmental endpoint.

In the Pettersson thread, a habs fan offered Dach, Laine and a second for him.

 

[HabsAddict]

Petterson would be a great target for Detroit, Buffalo, Montreal, Nashville, Anaheim or Calgary.

Cost in assets is obscene. The equivalent of 3 top 5 first. Let someone else pay the price and pray...

 

[bicboi64]

In the Pettersson thread, a habs fan offered Dach, Laine and a second for him.

Lol that's a laughable offer.

I wonder how a trade with those two would even work considering the salary swaps. Habs can't afford to give up Suzuki and would have to give up a package involving Slaf, Guhle imo

 

[NyQuil]

In the Pettersson thread, a habs fan offered Dach, Laine and a second for him.

I mean, I think Vancouver fans will be underwhelmed by the return if he is traded but I think other offers will be better.

Pettersson is a huge risk given the massive size of his contract.

An equally risky contract like Josh Norris makes the most sense, if Vancouver is looking to shake up the chemistry in the room.

 

[bicboi64]

I'm worried about what these players are today, and today, Amadio has been a far superior player to Joseph. Amadio had a slow start adjusting to a new team but has 10 pts in his last 25 games, basically the same pace as Joseph when here. Meanwhile Joseph worked his way out of the lineup in StL. I know which player I'd take in those circumstances.

On a side note, I'd have been fine with both of them on the roster. Amadio having more consistent minutes in the top 6 since he has a decent shot and Joseph in the bottom 6 where I think he'd be an upgrade over some of the guys we've had. I'd rather Staios not acquired Perron and just had two serviceable depth forwards in Joseph and Amadio. Would've been easier on the cap too but I guess Staios really wanted that vet presence Perron would've bought.

 

[Ouroboros]

I wonder if there's a guy on the Habs board that's obsessed with the Sens?

 

[Xspyrit]

I think I see where we disagree. With Andlauer and our management, along with Stu, Sanderson and Brady, the Sens will be a tier above. I have extreme confidence that those 3 players are the best core in the Atlantic starting in a couple years.

Yes, particularly Stutzle and Sanderson, we'll be as good as they become

Best core is wishful thinking though, no? I mean, Point, Kucherov, Hagel or Matthews, Nylander and Marner... Barkov, Reinhart, Tkachuk... hard to beat

That said, as many teams have shown it's not just about the top players. If not, Oilers would already have Cups. This is not basketball, you need to have a full team stacked with quality.

I'm worried about what these players are today, and today, Amadio has been a far superior player to Joseph. Amadio had a slow start adjusting to a new team but has 10 pts in his last 25 games, basically the same pace as Joseph when here. Meanwhile Joseph worked his way out of the lineup in StL. I know which player I'd take in those circumstances.

Like with Connor Brown when he left, did we compare with the guy who only played 4 games that season? We are comparing the replacement with what WE HAD. I'd much rather have what we had in Joseph than what we have in Amadio. Would Joseph still be as good IF he stayed here? Of course it's up in the air but don't see why not.

Really hoping TB's core of Kucherov, Hedman, and Vasi starts to decline. Don't think Point and Hagel can do it all on their own.

Florida's Barkov, Reinhart, and MTkachuk is very good and will be good for a bit, but they can't ride them forever without some upgrade on D.

TML's AM34, Nylander, and Rielly has a major weak spot in Rielly.

Boston's Pasta, McAvoy, and Swayman can be elite but everyone else on Boston is declining.

Not sure who even counts as MTL's core lol, no one has emerged as a 'core' piece worth worrying about. If its Guhle, Caufield and Slaf, i'm not too worried.

Really hoping the Atlantic can cool off a bit. It feels like the hardest division in the league.

Every single team have or will have high end talent... I don't think we'll be able to distance ourselves with Sanderson/Stutzle/Tkachuk... need to have a lot more depth

For Montreal, it's clearly Suzuki-Caufield-Hutson right now, even though Montembault is the true hero IMO.

Really, I think long term it's really Detroit and Boston I am the less worried about. For Tampa, it has gotta stop at some point, but Kucherov, Point, Hedman, Hagel, Guentzel, Cirelli, Vasilevskiy... damn so much game changing talent.

 

[Xspyrit]

I wonder if there's a guy on the Habs board that's obsessed with the Sens?

Probably not but they also probably don't have any idiots du village who get up in arms when people talk about other teams in the "Out of Town Thread"

Also, notice that most of my posts on the subject I am simply answering to people quoting me. Heck, in one post I talk about the 7 ATL teams and CGK quote me only about the Habs lol

It's all started from one single post this summer when I said their rebuild was trending well and it was heavily contested for some reason. Looks like I was not too crazy as usual. Some of my takes have been heavily contested for years... but time usually does its work

Edit : but seriously, I'll stop talking about them completely, didn't know it would be taken so badly on this board (which is frankly hilarious)

 

[NyQuil]

Meh, if it’s in the Around the NHL thread, any team is fair game.

 

[Blotto71]

This Winter "Classic" is an all-time turd!! {explosive fart noise here}

 

[Micklebot]

Like with Connor Brown when he left, did we compare with the guy who only played 4 games that season? We are comparing the replacement with what WE HAD. I'd much rather have what we had in Joseph than what we have in Amadio. Would Joseph still be as good IF he stayed here? Of course it's up in the air but don't see why not.

This such a dumb argument since 4 games isn't enough to judge how he's playing and he had a career altering injury. No such thing happened to Joseph.

Watch Joseph, judge how good he's playing. It's really not that hard. He was overated last year because of a hot start that wasn't sustainable (over 18% on ice sh % and a GF/60 that more than doubled the expected over his first 16 games), otherwise a pedestrian player, not bad but nothing special.

It was evident he was going to regress statistically this year, though I'll admit he exceeded my expectations in terms of how bad he's be,

 

[Golden_Jet]

So what you’re saying is,

The girl in red, is the habs
You’re the guy admiring them
The other girl, is the rest of the Sens forum, going what the f***

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[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Mate, you're asking me to do something very difficult.

Respecting them in anyway is going to be hard because I am a very petty person when it comes to the 3 NHL teams that I actively hate (TML, MTL, and Anaheim)

Seriously. f*** the Habs above all else. I'll even cheer for the Leafs over the Habs if it comes to that.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

This such a dumb argument since 4 games isn't enough to judge how he's playing and he had a career altering injury. No such thing happened to Joseph.

Watch Joseph, judge how good he's playing. It's really not that hard. He was overated last year because of a hot start that wasn't sustainable (over 18% on ice sh % and a GF/60 that more than doubled the expected over his first 16 games), otherwise a pedestrian player, not bad but nothing special.

It was evident he was going to regress statistically this year, though I'll admit he exceeded my expectations in terms of how bad he's be,

The Joseph love affair is on par with the Brannstrom one

And for the love of god can you guys please start respecting the Montreal Canadiens.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

This Winter "Classic" is an all-time turd!! {explosive fart noise here}

Why is a shitty team like the Hawks getting a game like this? Gotta go for a matchup of teams where the game will actually matter to both.