Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Edmonton losing to another bottom-feeder before they play us again lol.

Mostly thanks to Askarov. He sure looks good this year.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

ok nvm

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Hopefully Askarov tired out the Oilers enough for us tomorrow.

 

[Senovision]

 

[Knave]

How was that not goaltender interference by Boston? He unintentionally kicks the pad blade first and then scores because his kick lifted up Reimer's pad.

I get Coyle wasn't intentional there but Reimer wasn't given the opportunity to keep his pad down and puck out.

 

[PatrickEaves]

How was that not goaltender interference by Boston? He unintentionally kicks the pad blade first and then scores because his kick lifted up Reimer's pad.

I get Coyle wasn't intentional there but Reimer wasn't given the opportunity to keep his pad down and puck out.

Different teams in this league are officiated at different standards.

 

[BigRig4]

This has to be Lalonde’s last game right?

 

[PatrickEaves]

This has to be Lalonde’s last game right?

I hope not.

 

[Xspyrit]

You suggested playing him with Stützle, in the top 6. I think he’d be an upgrade for Amadio on the 3rd line, but he doesn’t have the offensive capabilities to complement Stützle, so we’d still have the same issue as we do today. No one to play with Stützle.

Yes, sort of like a 3rd liner like Greig played on a top line this season, or Howden in Vegas, like Joseph did a bit in the past, etc. NHL teams more often than not build duos and then plug a lesser talented guy who could still help them out

Again, in my scenario, the winger for Stutzle was Batherson...

But as I explained, problem is Batherson is ALSO needed on the other scoring line so we can't do that.

If we’re trading for another winger, it needs to be a guy who can put the puck in the net. Bonus if he brings speed.

Problem with your counter arguments is it forces me to explain a lot of parallel things. Players RARELY play on the same line all season. Top-6 forwards usually always play in the Top-6 but as soon as there is an injury or a hole in the top-6, a lot of the 3rd line caliber players will play games/shifts in that hole. Which is how guys like Greig, Joseph and Kakko (in that scenario) end up playing there.

I guess it should be clear now.

Even if we acquired Kakko (but would have had to get rid of Perron or Amadio), we would still need a Top-6 forward.

Kakko doesn’t score and is slow. And he’ll be a guy looking for 3.5M+ on his next deal and can walk himself to UFA.

Trading any of the limited assets we have for him to slightly upgrade on Amadio would’ve been dumb.

He scores well for the 3rd line, as already addressed. He has scored on average 15 goals per 82 games in the NHL, not that bad for a guy who has started at 18 y/o and is still only 23 y/o. That is usually not the most productive years for a NHL forward.

I'm not sure why you think he'd ask for that kind of raise? Doesn't fit with how you're valuing him.

Finally, regarding the assets, we don't have a Borgen but I would have easily paid a 3rd + 6th for a 23 y/o 2-way 3rd line forward.

And if you think this is dumb, then what is "slightly upgrade on Amadio"? lolz Kakko is 5 years younger and has more career points than Amadio... who is not good at anything while Kakko is solid in several aspects.

 

[Senovision]

This has to be Lalonde’s last game right?

I was thinking the same thing. His days must be numbered.

 

[NyQuil]

Reminds me of when we beat Detroit back-to-back a couple years ago and broke the team.

This time it's the Habs.

 

[PatrickEaves]

Reminds me of when we beat Detroit back-to-back a couple years ago and broke the team.

This time it's the Habs.

Turns out they actually are a soft team.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Turns out they actually are a soft team.

But that's why they went out and got Debrincat and Tarasenko...

 

[PatrickEaves]

Jeez. I turned on the CBC stream and the very first thing I hear are the commentators crying about how the Leafs are losing because they are playing their 3rd game in 4 nights. Because that doesn't happen to any other teams.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

5-2 Islanders. The division is OURS

 

[Tuna99]

Interesting to see Caufield’s goal totals plummet at the same time.

To make him feel more important they could always get a phone book to sit on

 

[Gil Gunderson]

f***ing useless Sabres

 

[PatrickEaves]

f***ing useless Sabres

They aren't going to win a game until they play the Sens. Knowing how these things work.

 

[Laphroaig]

Different teams in this league are officiated at different standards.

Just no.

 

[Tuna99]

Mike Reilly -7, worst on the Leaves

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Honestly feel bad for Sabres fans. It’s a legit hockey town.

 

[Relapsing]

f***ing useless Sabres

At least the rest of the out of town scoreboard went the right way.

Holy f*** Detroit. Trash team

 

[DackellDuck]

Yes, sort of like a 3rd liner like Greig played on a top line this season, or Howden in Vegas, like Joseph did a bit in the past, etc. NHL teams more often than not build duos and then plug a lesser talented guy who could still help them out

Again, in my scenario, the winger for Stutzle was Batherson...

But as I explained, problem is Batherson is ALSO needed on the other scoring line so we can't do that.



Problem with your counter arguments is it forces me to explain a lot of parallel things. Players RARELY play on the same line all season. Top-6 forwards usually always play in the Top-6 but as soon as there is an injury or a hole in the top-6, a lot of the 3rd line caliber players will play games/shifts in that hole. Which is how guys like Greig, Joseph and Kakko (in that scenario) end up playing there.

I guess it should be clear now.

Even if we acquired Kakko (but would have had to get rid of Perron or Amadio), we would still need a Top-6 forward.



He scores well for the 3rd line, as already addressed. He has scored on average 15 goals per 82 games in the NHL, not that bad for a guy who has started at 18 y/o and is still only 23 y/o. That is usually not the most productive years for a NHL forward.

I'm not sure why you think he'd ask for that kind of raise? Doesn't fit with how you're valuing him.

Finally, regarding the assets, we don't have a Borgen but I would have easily paid a 3rd + 6th for a 23 y/o 2-way 3rd line forward.

And if you think this is dumb, then what is "slightly upgrade on Amadio"? lolz Kakko is 5 years younger and has more career points than Amadio... who is not good at anything while Kakko is solid in several aspects.

It’s been covered a lot leading up to the trade. Kakko is arbitration eligible, and based on what type of things are admissible within that process and past rewards, he’s likely to be given ~3-3.5M for next season and will be a UFA after that.

No interest in a 3rd line rental who’s proven nothing considering what we have to trade and what we need.

Guys like Kakko are available for free every year. Like I said, we have one in Amadio. Didn’t cost us any picks.

And over the last 3 seasons, Amadio has scored 31 goals and 72 points in 193 games. Kakko has 34 goals and 73 points in 173 games.

So yes, “slight upgrade” is correct. Both are third liners. Both good defensively. Both very vanilla.

But if you think Amadio does “nothing” well bet Kakko is “solid in several areas” it’s clear you’ve never actually watched the guy play and just saw that he was a 2nd overall pick. They’re far closer, today, than what you think.

 

[obz]

Yes, things are so sad in Buffalo I'm going to start leaning on my second favourite team the Sens. Not much higher in the standings but not a hopeless shell of an organization like the Sabres...
GO SENS!

 

[swiftwin]

Hol up, Stefan Noesen has 15 goals with the Devils so far??? Where did that come from?