Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[CDN24]

What a complete A-hole.. With a list of bad decisions that extend from the time he was made GM to the time he was let go... Accelerating the rebuild is what he choses to try to defend himself with. No mention of the back to back to back wasted 1st round picks plus the one they have to forfeit.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843414241904337372

He is also quite wrong with respect to accelerating the rebuild- as per usual. The Monahan trade did not accelerate Habs rebuild, they made the trade in Summer 2022, the pick from Calgary has not even been made yet - it will be a 2025 pick probably late 1st round as it will likely be the FLA pick, realistically won't be in the lineup until 2027 (a full 5 years after the trade) at the earliest. The pick they got for Monahan from Winnipeg became Hage who just started his NCAA career and is like at least 2-3 years from making an impact. Unless Dorion is saying the habs should have pulled a Pierre and traded that Calgary pick for some guy on an expiring contract with no assurances he would resign, there was not much accelerating the rebuild in that Monahan trade.

Don't get me wrong, there was certainly value in that Monahan trade. Pierre had money though in the same summer he traded a 1st (7OA), a 2nd(39th OA) and a 3rd to get Debrincat who was making more money than Monahan. He too could have kept his 3 picks and then used that $$ on acquiring Monahan and getting another 1st.

Pierre has no one but himself to blame for his mistakes.

 

[Masked]

I don't think this punishment meet the crime. Vegas has been able to cheat the rules over and over, yet I don't see them face any consequences.

What rules did they cheat?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He is also quite wrong with respect to accelerating the rebuild- as per usual. The Monahan trade did not accelerate Habs rebuild, they made the trade in Summer 2022, the pick from Calgary has not even been made yet - it will be a 2025 pick probably late 1st round as it will likely be the FLA pick, realistically won't be in the lineup until 2027 (a full 5 years after the trade) at the earliest. The pick they got for Monahan from Winnipeg became Hage who just started his NCAA career and is like at least 2-3 years from making an impact. Unless Dorion is saying the habs should have pulled a Pierre and traded that Calgary pick for some guy on an expiring contract with no assurances he would resign, there was not much accelerating the rebuild in that Monahan trade.

Don't get me wrong, there was certainly value in that Monahan trade. Pierre had money though in the same summer he traded a 1st (7OA), a 2nd(39th OA) and a 3rd to get Debrincat who was making more money than Monahan. He too could have kept his 3 picks and then used that $$ on acquiring Monahan and getting another 1st.

Pierre has no one but himself to blame for his mistakes.

He is doing himself a disservice if he's now trying to defend his poor choices. Just let it lie and move on.

 

[DylanSensFan]

I was never a Dorion fan. I did not like him when he was appointed and really disliked him when he traded Zibanejad. Then it got worse and worse over time.

The only time I was a fan, was when we had the Summer of Pierre. But then that went to shit and I was waiting for him to be fired by Melnyk. Thankfully we got a new owner who cleaned house.

I am still angry about Zibanejad to this day. I think we have a balanced line up moving forward. We do need to stock the draft cupboards though.

What rules did they cheat?

Utilizing IR to get under the cap, to bring in players at the deadline. Shirking contracts, such as the case with Lehner.

 

[Loach]

He is doing himself a disservice if he's now trying to defend his poor choices. Just let it lie and move on.

Just let him Lie and keep burying himself. I can't stand him.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Just let him Lie and keep burying himself. I can't stand him.

There is at least an entertainment factor if he chooses to try to go there on his own, but imo he should just accept his Mike Milbury like disaster legacy and move on to something else. He has little to no credibility at this point imo.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Utilizing IR to get under the cap, to bring in players at the deadline. Shirking contracts, such as the case with Lehner.

All within the rules.

For all the talk about IR shenanigans helping them win a cup, the only players they added because Stone went on LTIR were Teddy Blueger and Jonathan Quick, neither of whom made a lick of a difference in the playoffs.

Last year Stone going on LTIR allowed them to add Hertl, who himself was on LTIR until the last 6 games of the season, as he actually came back earlier than expected from his knee surgery. If he hadn't come back early that argument also falls apart.

And of course this is assuming that Stone wasn't actually experiencing back issues when he went on LTIR, which there's no proof for.

 

[Loach]

There is at least an entertainment factor if he chooses to try to go there on his own, but imo he should just accept his Mike Milbury like disaster legacy and move on to something else. He has little to no credibility at this point imo.

Bro. You know he can't help himself. Lol.

 

[Hale The Villain]

What a complete A-hole.. With a list of bad decisions that extend from the time he was made GM to the time he was let go... Accelerating the rebuild is what he choses to try to defend himself with. No mention of the back to back to back wasted 1st round picks plus the one they have to forfeit.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843414241904337372

He's such a smug shameless little weasel.

One of the worst GMs in this league's history.

If he was smart he'd shut his mouth and hope as time passes that people forget about what how damaging his tenure was to this franchise, but he's too stupid or vapid to realize that.

 

[DylanSensFan]

All within the rules.

For all the talk about IR shenanigans helping them win a cup, the only players they added because Stone went on LTIR were Teddy Blueger and Jonathan Quick, neither of whom made a lick of a difference in the playoffs.

Last year Stone going on LTIR allowed them to add Hertl, who himself was on LTIR until the last 6 games of the season, as he actually came back earlier than expected from his knee surgery. If he hadn't come back early that argument also falls apart.

And of course this is assuming that Stone wasn't actually experiencing back issues when he went on LTIR, which there's no proof for.

alright alright alright.

 

[Loach]

Yes. Overhype an unrelenting and crazy fan base. Perfect. They can eat thenselves.

 

[Loach]

Stolarz starting for the Leaves. Woll out.

 

[GCK]

So Woll is injured so the leafs called up Hildeby. They don’t have cap space, how is this legal ?

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

He is doing himself a disservice if he's now trying to defend his poor choices. Just let it lie and move on.

Pierre Dorion is incapable of shutting his mouth. He has a compulsive need to say stupid things.

 

[The Waffler]

Yes. Overhype an unrelenting and crazy fan base. Perfect. They can eat thenselves.

Jesus Christ, I hadn’t thought of that. Why not the Habs?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844088093273465259

 

[Micklebot]

So Woll is injured so the leafs called up Hildeby. They don’t have cap space, how is this legal ?

Goalies are exempt from the emergency recall rule requiring you to play one game shorthanded.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844074194155278504

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844079245695517115

Would Lindstrom be an upgrade on JBD?

 

[Icelevel]

Also, Woll injured already, won't start in Montreal.


Shocker.

He’s their second best goalie anyway.

 

[GCK]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844074194155278504

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844079245695517115

Would Lindstrom be an upgrade on JBD?

All I know is Anaheim didn’t qualify him and had him on a PTO this year.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

All I know is Anaheim didn’t qualify him and had him on a PTO this year.

they sound kind of similar. You'd have to really know the player to make a switch like that. Seems like he stalled in Detroit and ran out of room in Anaheim

 

[GCK]

they sound kind of similar. You'd have to really know the player to make a switch like that. Seems like he stalled in Detroit and ran out of room in Anaheim

Rob Dimaio probably knows the player.

 

[Masked]

Utilizing IR to get under the cap, to bring in players at the deadline. Shirking contracts, such as the case with Lehner.

That's not cheating rules. Every team utilizes IR. I'm not sure about how the Lehner contract was resolved but the NHL seemed to have no issue with it and it did not seem to break any rules.

 

[Tragedy]

That's not cheating rules. Every team utilizes IR. I'm not sure about how the Lehner contract was resolved but the NHL seemed to have no issue with it and it did not seem to break any rules.

Lehner couldn't show up to camp because he's on the lam from his creditors. Vegas has every legal right to terminate his contract because of that - this was a settlement that gives Vegas the cap relief they are entitled to with Lehner breaching contract and gives Lehner some money he has no entitlement to to keep the PA happy.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Andlauer himself has said that he has recieved a 73 page document that showed that the Sens were "downright negligent" in nature to the Dadonov trade.

Vegas bears 0 responsibility regarding Dadonov. They were told straight up on a trade call with the NHL and Dorion that he never submitted his trade clause and it was thus null and void. Once that happens, it's on the party who made that blunder, which is the Sens.

One thing that always bothered me about the punishment was that we only ever got information that Dorion acted alone. It's a hefty fine due the actions of 1 person. Would have made more sense to fine/punish Dorion directly as it holds him solely responsible.

Now, if there's some information in the report that multiple people knew about the mistake and didn't act to resolve it, I can understand the punishment being that substantial because it indicates a level of carelessness that's pervasive throughout the organization. However, there have been no rumours or any additional fallout that points in that direction so the penalty seems extremely excessive.

It's like if a player punched out a referee and the NHL fined the organization in addition to suspending the player. Why does the organization bear responsibility for the actions of 1 person?