2CHAINZ
Registered User
- Feb 27, 2008
- 14,616
- 20,391
Isn't that why the internet was invented?You’d love it wouldn’t you. Would give you another reason to come on here to bitch and moan
Isn't that why the internet was invented?You’d love it wouldn’t you. Would give you another reason to come on here to bitch and moan
Dorion is gone. Pinto could only get 7 years on an offer sheet and even then 7 x 6M would require a 1st, 2nd and 3rd which most teams didn’t have and it would have been matched in a heartbeat.The point is imagine if OS would have been an ADDITIONAL way for Dorion to get screwed over?
And why a Pinto OS wouldn't have been successful? We haven't had any cap space recently. If somebody offered Pinto 6.0 AAV for 8 years, he would have signed it for sure. What would we have done?
He is the worst GM of all time. I started a comparison with Mike Milbury a few months ago but I stopped as it was a futile exercise, it was not even close.
Good GMs have relationships with the agent. For example let’s say Ridley Greig breaks out this year and goes off for 20+20 and his agent gets an offer sheet of 5 x 5, the agent tells Staios what’s on the table and they work something out.They are great for the player involved and for NHLPA players in general. From a fan perspective, they can be a blessing or a curse, depending on whether your team is gaining or losing a player.
The Emo is strong with this one
It’s not that serious. Enjoy the summer and stop getting triggered.You’d love it wouldn’t you. Would give you another reason to come on here to bitch and moan
Their talent pipeline is way better, not even close. We’ll see what becomes of it.Ottawa could pick up the Montreal team and throw them into the reds and only person on Montreal who would be bothered by that would be Marty St Louis.
Montreal is building a team that complains to the refs
For that and titsIsn't that why the internet was invented?
8.7 million a season for 2 more years for Laine.
I'd say they have a pretty decent top 6 now. Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slaf and Laine is a respectable group. If they can stay healthy, Laine can be a ppg player again, they can easily rival us depending how Norris, Giroux and Perron hold up. Can't write them off that easily anymore.Habs have nothing lose here, I doubt that Laine will move the needle for them, they still pretty thin at forwards but its a good gamble, we'll see how Laine deals with the being under the microscope in Montreal, Habs fans will expected him to score 50 goals this season.
Don't think they have just yet, but they're definitely on track to do so in a couple years. Its sad but true.Wouldn't be surprised is Montreal has overtaken us ii n the rebuild.
The internet playbookIt’s not that serious. Enjoy the summer and stop getting triggered.
Montreal hasn't surpassed us but as a trader Hughes absolutely destroys Dorion.
Which is why they are on the verge of surpassing us. Can you imagine they have their 1st and Calgary's in the next draft? Plus two 2nds, three 3rds and two 4ths. Would have been nice to compete during their rebuild and Leafs irrelevancy... F*** *** Dorion
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they finish above us in the standings. lol people can flame me and call me a Habs fan all they want but it's hard to not see it trending this way.
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Laine
Newhook - Dach - Caufield
Gallagher - Dvorak - Anderson
Roy - Evans - Armia
Pezzetta - ABB - RHP
Matheson - Guhle
Hutson - Savard
Struble - Barron
Xhekaj
Called out for saying the Habs rebuild is progressing better? Not exactly a wild statement.The internet playbook
Step 1: Say something you know you will get called out for
Step 2: Respond to the call out with "Stop getting triggered"
Step 3: Win internet
Which is why they are on the verge of surpassing us. Can you imagine they have their 1st and Calgary's in the next draft? Plus two 2nds, three 3rds and two 4ths. Would have been nice to compete during their rebuild and Leafs irrelevancy... F*** *** Dorion
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they finish above us in the standings. lol people can flame me and call me a Habs fan all they want but it's hard to not see it trending this way.
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Laine
Newhook - Dach - Caufield
Gallagher - Dvorak - Anderson
Roy - Evans - Armia
Pezzetta - ABB - RHP
Matheson - Guhle
Hutson - Savard
Struble - Barron
Xhekaj
Last year for Armia and Dvorak, only 3 years left for Gallagher and Anderson. Once these expire, Habs will be in an extremely good position, Demidov and Reinbacher might be impact players by then. We seriously need bad things to start happening to them.
They were in the SCF in 2021 and after only 3 years of rebuild, their rebuild already looks better than ours. I can't stress enough about how much Dorion ruined it all for us. We should sue the f*** out of him.
The "screwing" could be caused by mismanagement of the team's finances (e.g., paying too much for certain older vet players and not having enough salary cap dollars to pay your rising younger stars). Sometimes it would be caused by "success" similar to what happened to the Black Hawks after wining the SC and having to pay their players for that success (Toews and Kane) causing the loss of some very good players (e.g., Dustin Byfuglien) to free agency or trade for futures.
Both of those are/were horrendous contracts though. White was bought-out and has been exiled from the NHL, and Kotkaniemi isn't coming anywhere close to earning his contract and may yet be bought-out himself.
Whether it was this summer or last summer, it's a ludicrous contract to hand out for a player with no real track record of production.
You let him go in this case.
You can call it dirty of predatory, but I look at it as smart and quick witted.
GMs should be taking advantage of other GMs when the opportunity arises. If a GM knows their colleague is operating from a position of weakness, its their job to try and make a move where they get the most out of a transaction.
A team like the Dorion led Sens would be getting fleeced left and right, but that's where an organizations ownership needs to step up and fire an incompetent GM that is putting themselves in a position of weakness so many times.
Dorion is gone. Pinto could only get 7 years on an offer sheet and even then 7 x 6M would require a 1st, 2nd and 3rd which most teams didn’t have and it would have been matched in a heartbeat.
Lol, touch the grass. My man, just stop I can't stop laughing. I assume your next response will call me a snowflake.Called out for saying the Habs rebuild is progressing better? Not exactly a wild statement.
You’re overthinking this pal, take a breather and touch grass.
Their talent pipeline is way better, not even close. We’ll see what becomes of it.
Their talent pipeline is way better, not even close. We’ll see what becomes of it.
Habs have nothing lose here, I doubt that Laine will move the needle for them, they still pretty thin at forwards but its a good gamble, we'll see how Laine deals with the being under the microscope in Montreal, Habs fans will expected him to score 50 goals this season.
Don't see a single player on that roster that I would trade Brady, Stutzle or Sanderson for. But I don't look at their roster with the bleu, blanc et rouge glasses that you do.
It's a decent forward core but I don't see them being better than we are unless Laine becomes a 40 goal scorer again. Their defense is middling and they don't have a true #1 goalie.
I do think they have a much better prospect pipeline though and I can see them kicking our ass in 3-4 years.
Which is why they are on the verge of surpassing us. Can you imagine they have their 1st and Calgary's in the next draft? Plus two 2nds, three 3rds and two 4ths. Would have been nice to compete during their rebuild and Leafs irrelevancy... F*** *** Dorion
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they finish above us in the standings. lol people can flame me and call me a Habs fan all they want but it's hard to not see it trending this way.
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Laine
Newhook - Dach - Caufield
Gallagher - Dvorak - Anderson
Roy - Evans - Armia
Pezzetta - ABB - RHP
Matheson - Guhle
Hutson - Savard
Struble - Barron
Xhekaj
Last year for Armia and Dvorak, only 3 years left for Gallagher and Anderson. Once these expire, Habs will be in an extremely good position, Demidov and Reinbacher might be impact players by then. We seriously need bad things to start happening to them.
They were in the SCF in 2021 and after only 3 years of rebuild, their rebuild already looks better than ours. I can't stress enough about how much Dorion ruined it all for us. We should sue the f*** out of him.
Not to mention we traded much more valuable assets when blowing it up-Karlsson, Stone, Duchene, Pageau, Dzingel.
Did Montreal even have anyone significant to gain picks/prospects from? I guess Romanov and Monahan, but come one.
Pinto wasn’t eligible for an OS last year.Yeah I was implying that, we were in a really bad spot regarding the cap. Just since last seasons, we have paid 2nd + 3rd + 3rd + 4th + 7th to get rid of Zaitsev, Joseph and Murray (75%) contracts. I'm not even talking about the rest of dead money
We were lucky nobody was able to screw us over with an offer sheet during the Dorion days. Maybe that is the reason why Dorion RUSHED to pay each one of them very generously (people argue that Norris and Chabot are overpaid, White was overpaid, some external fans say Sanderson is overpaid, etc...)
Shane Pinto was a much much better target to throw 6M$ at than either White or Kotkaniemi so it solidifies my point. Actually, that may have not be possible last year because of the gambling issue which was known by the NHL much earlier than us.
Maybe for you (as it is a matter of opinion at this point), you would rather have a late 1st and a 3rd but personally, I would rather have Pinto.
Smart and quick witted only if you have the finances and ressources to go "at war" with your rivals. If your out-numbered, out-ressourced, out-trained (think in a war setting reality) etc, you're just f***ing dumb.
Of course GMs should be taking advantage of other GMs but the thing is an OS doesn't go unnoticed and may look as "barbarian" to many GMs, that you find it cool or not. The question then becomes : how many ennemies can you afford?
Look at the Aho/Kotkaniemi situation... Carolina was pretty resentful about the Aho OS so they decided to steal Kotkaniemi away from Montreal... luckily for the Habs, JK never really developed so no big deal for them in the end but imagine if the guy turned into a very good player?
So it's about thinking about long term consequences. I am not saying you can't operate the way you'd like (if you were a GM, assuming your owner is FINE with it) but there is consequences.
Not only the Sens had the worst management possible but were very POOR for a NHL team before the sale... which made things worse and our neighbors are the richest NHL teams.
I didn't know the 5 years thing, so it got changed to 4 years x 6.0 AAV
So let's say we matched (LAST year), how would we fit the cap?
Dude, go to the Habs board with this garbage.Slaf may be as good or even better than Brady.