Around the NHL — Episode XLXVI

[Wallet Inspector]

Random tidbit, but Puckpedia apparently counts our OG franchise's Cup wins as ours, lol

 

[Dan Patrick]

Random tidbit, but Puckpedia apparently counts our OG franchise's Cup wins as ours, lol

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As they should. Always thought it was dumb that people didn’t consider it those Ottawa clubs as the spiritual successor to the Senators. They were both professional Ottawa hockey clubs.

 

[Crosside]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1816520722459820268

Anyone else think this is crazy money for Konecny... I have always liked the player but wow that seems like a lot to me.

He asked 10m , and cap apparently gonna raise by 4m next year. Lots of money, but gonna be the norm for good players

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Random tidbit, but Puckpedia apparently counts our OG franchise's Cup wins as ours, lol

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Sometimes I pretend it is 2009, 2010, 2011, 2020, 2021, 2023, and that we already won in 2027 even know it's still 2024.

 

[Ice-Tray]

That’s a long time to sign on to a shit club that doesn’t look to be moving in the right direction, but it’s also 60million dollars.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1816520722459820268

Anyone else think this is crazy money for Konecny... I have always liked the player but wow that seems like a lot to me.

I like the guy, but his durability worries me with a contract like that.

 

[Tuna99]

I like the guy, but his durability worries me with a contract like that.

This and the Couterier contract are brutal - bad value and won’t age well like even in 2 years. Couturier looked really slow at the end of last season and that could be a player that really struggles with the speed

 

[Boud]

This and the Couterier contract are brutal - bad value and won’t age well like even in 2 years. Couturier looked really slow at the end of last season and that could be a player that really struggles with the speed

Couturier's contract was pretty much in line with what he deserved before his massive injuries. He was probably the closest comparable to a Bergeron you could find with great defensive play and offensive output. He was never the fastest player, much like Giroux, but playing 30 games in 2 years will obviously have a massive impact on a player. He's slow but he's a smart player, he's always been slow. It's obvious he wasn't even close to pre-injury this year and may never get back there.

It's a pretty similar situation to Norris who's barely played in the last 3 seasons. He will draw back in the lineup at some point and he won't look like himself, he may never be as good as he once was but the contract remains from before the injuries happened.

Those contracts may be bad but it's hard to predict injuries like that and their extent. This is why NHL teams have LTIR, insurance and in some cases buyouts.

The cap has gone up this year farily significantly and will keep going up in the next few years. Konecny has been near PPG and a leader on the Flyers. He plays with tenacity and has the skills to go with it. Next fews years we will keep having these discussions of players getting "too much", just like we have in the past - it's just the new reality.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The cap is going to be very high within the next few years, so an 8 or 9 million dollar contract is not going to be what it was. Points about his durability are valid, but I think there is always sticker shock when the cap goes up. The cap has been artificially deflated over the last few seasons because the players had to pay the owners back for the COVID season. The cap was projected to be at 88.5M years ago prior to COVID. We will soon have a cap in excess of 100M.

Ultimately, one thing that has to be considered is teams always can't hit a home run with AAVs. I think there is a false idea fans have that it's possible to entirely avoid bad contracts. If Konecny is an important part of their team for the next 4-5 years, and then is a negative value contract for the next 4 after that, that's fine. Teams have a rhythm to how contracts are structured. It would set the Flyers back years to lose Konecny, and they are already a few years into a rebuild/re-tool and have Michkov coming over. Losing Konecny next year would be a greater problem than his 8.75M cap hit being on the books when he is no longer a top 6 forward under a 100-120 million dollar cap in 5 years.

 

[Xspyrit]

Couturier's contract was pretty much in line with what he deserved before his massive injuries. He was probably the closest comparable to a Bergeron you could find with great defensive play and offensive output. He was never the fastest player, much like Giroux, but playing 30 games in 2 years will obviously have a massive impact on a player. He's slow but he's a smart player, he's always been slow. It's obvious he wasn't even close to pre-injury this year and may never get back there.

It's a pretty similar situation to Norris who's barely played in the last 3 seasons. He will draw back in the lineup at some point and he won't look like himself, he may never be as good as he once was but the contract remains from before the injuries happened.

Those contracts may be bad but it's hard to predict injuries like that and their extent. This is why NHL teams have LTIR, insurance and in some cases buyouts.

The cap has gone up this year farily significantly and will keep going up in the next few years. Konecny has been near PPG and a leader on the Flyers. He plays with tenacity and has the skills to go with it. Next fews years we will keep having these discussions of players getting "too much", just like we have in the past - it's just the new reality.

Yeah, any player could get diminished by injuries. NHL players that are not should be grateful to be able to keep their level of play.

Sean Couturier was becoming an incredible player, what a shame his injuries have been.

 

[DrEasy]

The cap is going to be very high within the next few years, so an 8 or 9 million dollar contract is not going to be what it was. Points about his durability are valid, but I think there is always sticker shock when the cap goes up. The cap has been artificially deflated over the last few seasons because the players had to pay the owners back for the COVID season. The cap was projected to be at 88.5M years ago prior to COVID. We will soon have a cap in excess of 100M.

Ultimately, one thing that has to be considered is teams always can't hit a home run with AAVs. I think there is a false idea fans have that it's possible to entirely avoid bad contracts. If Konecny is an important part of their team for the next 4-5 years, and then is a negative value contract for the next 4 after that, that's fine. Teams have a rhythm to how contracts are structured. It would set the Flyers back years to lose Konecny, and they are already a few years into a rebuild/re-tool and have Michkov coming over. Losing Konecny next year would be a greater problem than his 8.75M cap hit being on the books when he is no longer a top 6 forward under a 100-120 million dollar cap in 5 years.

In such a cap landscape, I find it even more puzzling that we would be so willing to divest ourselves of Matthieu Joseph (by attaching a pick no less!), especially since ultimately Pinto's extension would have still fit within our cap while keeping him.

 

[OD99]

In such a cap landscape, I find it even more puzzling that we would be so willing to divest ourselves of Matthieu Joseph (by attaching a pick no less!), especially since ultimately Pinto's extension would have still fit within our cap while keeping him.

I think there may have been something more to it than just cap space.

Nothing bad, more of a team identity thing.

 

[Loach]

I think there may have been something more to it than just cap space.

Nothing bad, more of a team identity thing.

I like the cap landscape thing. Smh. Don't spend before you have it. The cap is going up so.... NO. Spend properly.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

In such a cap landscape, I find it even more puzzling that we would be so willing to divest ourselves of Matthieu Joseph (by attaching a pick no less!), especially since ultimately Pinto's extension would have still fit within our cap while keeping him.

Our issue isn't related to that.

We had a short term cap crunch with almost no cap flexibility over the next two seasons. Additionally, our new management identified a need to bring in veterans or players with a certain competitive mindset. They needed to make some tough choices value wise to move on from players and create the cap room to do that because the team that they inherited from Dorion was very locked in with not a lot of flexibility to change the roster. In that respect, even if you don't agree with their moves on an individual basis, what they were able to accomplish in terms of giving the roster a facelift is impressive.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I like the cap landscape thing. Smh. Don't spend before you have it. The cap is going up so.... NO. Spend properly.

Agreed. Never know what the future holds. Don't spend it until you have it to spend.

 

[Xspyrit]

As they should. Always thought it was dumb that people didn’t consider it those Ottawa clubs as the spiritual successor to the Senators. They were both professional Ottawa hockey clubs.

Same city, same name. It is obvious Ottawa wanted to revive the Senators. It would be the same if the Nordiques would come back. It's not the same thing as the Montreal Wanderers and the Montreal Canadiens for example

I think the debate should be more around how many Cups? 4, 5 or 8 or 11?

In such a cap landscape, I find it even more puzzling that we would be so willing to divest ourselves of Matthieu Joseph (by attaching a pick no less!), especially since ultimately Pinto's extension would have still fit within our cap while keeping him.

It has be something significant, it doesn't make sense that a player like Mathieu Joseph has to be dumped. 2.95 AAV is not even that high. Jason Dickinson got a 4.25 AAV extension last season for example

Joseph had 33 pts at ES last season, which was 160th most among forwards, 5th best on a team by average... I mean, when your 5th most productive forward at ES makes only 2.95 AAV, it's actually a good sign. And Mathieu Joseph is a defensive player foremost and a PK specialist. To put things in perspective, this is the same number of ES Pts as Drake Batherson in 2022-23 and just 3 less than DeBrinat that season.

It is also not really the timing to trade support/role players to get value. Remember when we traded Connor Brown? We got a lot less in the middle of the summer than if we did at the deadline for example. That's why I think they should have traded Joseph at the deadline, hard to believe it would have cost to trade him then.

 

[BondraTime]

Awful to see Bob Jones pass on, seems to have been loved by every player he coached for the Sens over the past few years.

 

[BigRig4]

Flames beat reporter seems to be hinting at something happening. Wonder if it’s Kadri… he was rumoured for a bit earlier this summer

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Flames beat reporter seems to be hinting at something happening. Wonder if it’s Kadri… he was rumoured for a bit earlier this summer

Flames would be smart to take advantage of the great season he's had to get a good return for him now.

 

[Tuna99]

John Herdmand and Bev Pristeman should be made to parade down Bank Street so we can insult them and throw eggs at them.

Cheating is f***ing bad, lying about to the media is worse and we should make a
public example of them. Disgrace both of them - like revoke their citizenship and send them home

 

[Loach]

John Herdmand and Bev Pristeman should be made to parade down Bank Street so we can insult them and throw eggs at them.

Cheating is f***ing bad, lying about to the media is worse and we should make a
public example of them. Disgrace both of them - like revoke their citizenship and send them home

Herdman too?

 

[Sensators]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1816520722459820268

Anyone else think this is crazy money for Konecny... I have always liked the player but wow that seems like a lot to me.

Hes actually one of the best wingers 5v5 but his powerplay production really sucks. Think it probably doesn't age too well but if he can figure out the ppwerplay he would be ridiculous, don't think his offensive iq is that good in the OZ. really good off the rush.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1816520722459820268

Anyone else think this is crazy money for Konecny... I have always liked the player but wow that seems like a lot to me.

It is high, but it is understandable. The cap is adjusting, hierarchy also matters. He is their best player. For example, he isn't getting 8.75M if he's the 4th or 5th most important player on a contender. The same way that Sam Reinhart probably would have gotten 11.5M-13M if he were on the Flyers.

AAVs are going to shoot up. Within like 2 years, 8M-9M is going to be what players in that 30th-60th best forward in the league wheelhouse start to get instead of 6M-7M.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Herdman too?

Hard to think he did not know, this has been going on for a while (and, to be fair, everyone does it).

The whole system failed the players, it is utterly disgraceful. Canada Soccer needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt.

 

[bicboi64]

That Konecny deal is a cap inflation deal, but by the time Konecny starts declining, the cap will be so high it won't hurt the flyers.

I get the logic of keeping him instead of dealing him away for futures. Unless you can get a top 4 cost-controlled defender for him, no point in trading a legit top 6 forward. Briere wants to insulate the youth coming into the roster with established talent that can play instead of plugs like other teams have done so in the past.