Around the NHL — Episode XLXVI

[Sensrule]

Lets Go Oilers. Can't be cheering for the division foes and the other Tkachuk.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Lets Go Oilers. Can't be cheering for the division foes and the other Tkachuk.

I wonder who Flames fans cheer for here. Have to assume it's the Oilers, but maybe they let the Tkachuk hate go.

 

[PlayOn]

I wonder who Flames fans cheer for here. Have to assume it's the Oilers, but maybe they let the Tkachuk hate go.

Definitely Florida. Flames fans were a lot more upset with Gaudreau than Tkachuk, and they hate the Oilers.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I wonder who Flames fans cheer for here. Have to assume it's the Oilers, but maybe they let the Tkachuk hate go.

No friggin way do the Flames cheer for the Oilers, even if they still hate Tkachuk

 

[Icelevel]

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Definitely Florida. Flames fans were a lot more upset with Gaudreau than Tkachuk, and they hate the Oilers.

I guess I knew different Flames fans lol, but fair point.

My 2 Flames friends have been on board with the Oilers this year, but that's a real small sample size.

 

[Sensrule]

I wonder who Flames fans cheer for here. Have to assume it's the Oilers, but maybe they let the Tkachuk hate go.

Has to be Florida. I know in in an alternate universe if the Leafs or Habs would have made the finals and if they went up against a franchise player of ours that was disgruntled and got shipped out West (Tkachuk or Stutzle hope that doesn't happen haha) I'd still cheer for the Western team lol.

 

[PlayOn]

I guess I knew different Flames fans lol, but fair point.

My 2 Flames friends have been on board with the Oilers this year, but that's a real small sample size.

Check on their sanity. That’s like Sens fans cheering for Toronto… why??

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Has to be Florida. I know in in an alternate universe if the Leafs or Habs would have made the finals and if they went up against a franchise player of ours that was disgruntled and got shipped out West (Tkachuk or Stutzle hope that doesn't happen haha) I'd still cheer for the Western team lol.

Ya makes sense. I guess the couple I talk to hate on Tkachuk so much and are on board it made me question it, but 2 person sample size isn't much.

I like the Flames too, so I've got a bit of a Tkachuk hate on too, but not like they do.

Check on their sanity. That’s like Sens fans cheering for Toronto… why??

Haha, well, I can't put myself in their shoes, but there's a possibility of me putting the Leafs over a player if I had enough disdain for that specific player. Unlikely it could get to that point, but never say never I guess. Maybe over Crosby when he whooped our ass that year they made it all about him vs. Spezza.

It's very different in the context of cheering on a team you assume will lose eventually, and cheering on a team in the finals to win the cup. I could cheer on TO to spank a hated player for one round, not so much for the Cup.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Ya I aint cheering for a Canadian team to break the curse unless its Ottawa. Hope the panthers take it.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ya I aint cheering for a Canadian team to break the curse unless its Ottawa. Hope the panthers take it.

I figure if I live until I'm say 72, which may be lofty, but still, that leaves only 32 chances. There's 32 teams now. Throw in small Canadian market disadvantages, the team being in shambles currently, and I think it's fair to say the odds are pretty heavily against the Senators winning it while I'm alive.

Hell, the rebuild has been like 33% of my adult life already.

 

[Icelevel]

I figure if I live until I'm say 72, which may be lofty, but still, that leaves only 32 chances. There's 32 teams now. Throw in small Canadian market disadvantages, the team being in shambles currently, and I think it's fair to say the odds are pretty heavily against the Senators winning it while I'm alive.

Hell, the rebuild has been like 33% of my adult life already.

Well the best chance is probably while tkachuk is here. So if it’s going to happen it’s likely sooner than later. Otherwise could be a long while.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Well the best chance is probably while tkachuk is here. So if it’s going to happen it’s likely sooner than later. Otherwise could be a long while.

Oh I don't know about that. My confidence isn't high lol. I like Chucky, but he's just another player on the team, albeit a star player. He's another piece to the puzzle of which so many are required, and are missing in Ottawa. Hell, I'd consider trading him tomorrow for a true starting goaltender this team could ride for the next decade, if it was a guarantee.

Edmonton has the 2 best forwards in the world, and they're still the underdog after a long journey to their first finals.

 

[Icelevel]

Oh I don't know about that. My confidence isn't high lol. I like Chucky, but he's just another player on the team, albeit a star player. He's another piece to the puzzle of which so many are required, and are missing in Ottawa. Hell, I'd consider trading him tomorrow for a true starting goaltender this team could ride for the next decade, if it was a guarantee.

Edmonton has the 2 best forwards in the world, and they're still the underdog after a long journey to their first finals.

If you’re ready to trade tkachuk for a starting goalie then…umm…you don’t deserve to see them win. Sorry you lose.
That’s dohrion level one step forward two steps back.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If you’re ready to trade tkachuk for a starting goalie then…umm…you don’t deserve to see them win. Sorry you lose.

Lol. Well, if I could guarantee a .920+ save % for a decade+, I would, but that's not an option so I was basically saying that in jest, but I suppose my point could be that I see the impact of that as bigger than any one skater, other than the McDavid, Mackinnon's of the world. Goaltending was pretty elusive for this team in its past, and a total gong show currently.

I don't know. Tkachuk is a nice player and brings some real nice intangibles. Obviously the captain and leader, but I don't see him as someone that's above most of his star player peers around the league, or even on this team. Lots of good players around the league. I don't see him giving us a better chance than say Karlsson or Alfredsson in the bubble of individual players, but certainly I could see him having a better shot at it than those guys because of Andlauer effect and better support over Melnyk's budget.

 

[maclean]

Wow, what a crazy last game.

Kinda wanna see the Panthers stamp on 'em though

 

[Beech]

MYTH Shattering
It takes a while for a star to win. NO.

Bobby Orr, 3 years in, age 21, a cup
Bobby Clark, 3 years in, a cup, age 22
Guy Lafleur, 2 years in a cup (he was a passenger). 2 years later, a cup. He was the star. age 24
Leach, MacLeish and Barber, 1-3 years in, a cup. Ages 21-24
Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Gilles, 2-6 years in, a cup, ages 22-26
Gretzky and Baby Oilers, 2 years in, a Cup visit, a cup winner a year later, ages 20-24
Patrick Roy..1 year in, age 20, a cup

Mario.. exception..8 years

Avalanche group (Sakic, Foresberg)..2-5 years in, ages 21-24 cup
Martin Brodeur, 1 year in, a cup, age 21

Stevie Y..exception ~10 years in

Detroit starts, Fed./Lind./ et all 1-3 years in, a cup, ages 21-23
Crosby, 3 years in, a cup visit, a win the next year, age 22
Malkin/Letang/Fleury, 3-5 years in, a cup visit, a win the next year, ages 22-25

Ovie..exception. ~ 11 years in

Chicago Blackhawks stars, 2-5 years in, a cup, ages 21-26
Tampa Bay stars, 2-5 years in, a cup visit, a cup win 3 years after.. age of cup visit 21-24, age at cup win 24-27.

By and Large, stars get to cups within 4 years of being in the league and win, within 5.

MYTH: it takes a while for a star to get there.. NO. It should not. Several stars have won cups by the age of 21.

Winners are soaked in drive and determination. Many win at the Junior level, college level, WJC, etc.

Crosby was once described as a 15 year old, Navy Seal. Led his Junior team to a Mem. cup final, against the most vaunted junior team of the time (The London Knights). Won a WJC at age 17. Led Pitt to the playoffs in year 2. Age 20.

 

[Adrianopolous]

Lol the Sens are such lames

 

[PatrickEaves]

The NHL is a copycat team and all, but not sure how teams can copy either of these teams if they win the cup.

Either a team that lucked into couple generational talents (including one of the greatest talents of all time) they drafted by tanking for a decade or a team of cheap shot artists that is protected by the league and the refs.

 

[bicboi64]

Ugh, nightmare finals match up cuz I hate both teams.

Don't want McDrai to have any success in EDM though, so hoping Florida pulls off a sweep. Plus, our draft pick becomes better

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I want a 7 game series with incredible skill and playoff bad blood antics.

 

[Tuna99]

Cody Ceci I’d the 2nd most amount of games played for his draft year

 

[bicboi64]

Just some general thoughts after rewatching some tape.

Dallas:
-They gotta find a way to get Suter off the roster, he's just too slow to be doing anything affective
-Guys like Seguin and Benn (because of their caphits) and Robertson need to step up and be stars. Hintz gets a pass because he was injured, but when your stars don't produce, you ain't winning
-Pavelski might have another season in him, but only if the Stars get rid of the deadweight and extend Tanev.

NYR
-Trouba needs to be off the roster. He's too slow, has no hockey IQ, and just isn't C material
-Lindgren is going to be a cheap extension
-Panarin and Zibby are going to get a 'pass' because they are good enough over the regular season to get the rags into the playoffs, bu boy did both of them choking hard screw the team.
-NYR is beyond lucky that Laf has emerged.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Ceci literally has more ice time than Bouchard and Ekholm tonight. Not sure what you're talking about.

He played well last night. That doesn't change the player he's been for years, which is a top four liability.

 

[Beech]

He played well last night. That doesn't change the player he's been for years, which is a top four liability.

he was condemned by several variables.
1) An Ottawa boy playing for the 67s and got drafted by the Ottawa Senators. It created the "Petit gas de chez nous" scenario. Very dangerous
2) Brian Kilrea utters the famous, "If you like Denis Potvin, you will like him". Great, he was compared to an HOF and legend of the game.
3) As an RHD, you get plenty or rope and plenty of space. You are precious, so everyone bows
4) He started believing his own clippings and, mannerisms set in.

He wanted to be paid, play like Orr, etc.

He was and is, a #4 Dman, with little offensive skill, he is average to good defensively. Not overly physical and his compete meter, does not appear to be at high rev. Again, a perfect #4 Dman. If he was an LHD, he would be on the 3rd pair.

Playing for the Peterborough Petes, let's say. Drafted by the St. Louis Blues. Drafted in round 2. No one would ever talk about him. Not in this city, or across the league. He would be somewhere, playing on the second pair and largely ignored.