Bandit
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I don’t think I can take hearing about another Connor for eternity.
Also always nice to open the around the league thread and see pages of arguing about the 2012-2014 Kings.
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I don’t think I can take hearing about another Connor for eternity.
Also always nice to open the around the league thread and see pages of arguing about the 2012-2014 Kings.
Steve Zissou
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Big disagree on this part. This trade was done because of two good weeks. They went on a 9 game unbeaten streak right before the deadline. Prior to that I think they were 14th in the Conference and like the 3rd worst team in the NHL. The cracks were showing BIG TIME and that winning streak came at an awful time. They should have unloaded Stoll and Williams and taken a few 1sts in return. It was the 2nd worst choice (after the Lucic one) and back to backs like that are devastating.
bland
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You don't think they deserved one more kick at that can after three consecutive Western Conference Finals? Completely agree the cracks were there, but I had no problem giving the duct tape a shot before calling it over.
But they failed on that shot, and with the Richards/Voynov/Sutter & Carcillo stuff, it was time to pump the breaks and look at the map instead of gunning it again.
If you take a look at those Cup winning rosters and see how little they got in return for any of those departed players, its astonishing that they thought they could still be competitive.
Axl Rhoadz
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All in favor for a thread titled ‘Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda!’?
cyclones22
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@All The Kings Men I seem to remember you rattling off some statistics about the 2015 Kings not making the playoffs. It was pretty eye-opening.
All The Kings Men
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Herby
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They should have made the playoffs had they had any kind of luck. But they probably wouldn’t have done much. They had played 64 playoff games the previous 3 years, including 26 the year before. The notion that they could have just flipped a switch was kind of debunked the final trip to western Canada where they were up against the wall and couldn’t flip a switch to beat a bad team. Had they gotten in they probably lose in the 1st round like Chicago did in 2016, just to many games for both teams.
I see both sides to Sekera, I think in the heat of the moment DL probably believed the hype of flipping a switch and believed Sekera could replace Voynov. But that team had a lot of holes and was dead tired too. That might have been a time to play a longer game and recoup some assets they had lost in other deals for some of the older guys who weren’t coming back. It’s just tough to make a move for the most expensive rental on the market when a 1st is involved, your pipeline is bare and you are on the outside looking in.
Instead it was a 1st gone in this deal (which fortunately was a 2016 1st since they missed) but in the end all that did was give them back a 2015 first which was used in one of the worst trades in team history.
I think Dean was just to blinded to see what was right in front of him between June 2014 and April 2017.
I see both sides to Sekera, I think in the heat of the moment DL probably believed the hype of flipping a switch and believed Sekera could replace Voynov. But that team had a lot of holes and was dead tired too. That might have been a time to play a longer game and recoup some assets they had lost in other deals for some of the older guys who weren’t coming back. It’s just tough to make a move for the most expensive rental on the market when a 1st is involved, your pipeline is bare and you are on the outside looking in.
Instead it was a 1st gone in this deal (which fortunately was a 2016 1st since they missed) but in the end all that did was give them back a 2015 first which was used in one of the worst trades in team history.
I think Dean was just to blinded to see what was right in front of him between June 2014 and April 2017.
If you look at the analytics, it is very easy to see why he would have been blinded. The Kings led the entire league in xGF% from 2014-15 through 2016-17 at 54.25%. Second place was the Penguins at 53.36% and they won back to back cups over that stretch. I can totally see Lombardi, who was a very early adopter of analytics, looking at numbers like those and still thinking the Kings were on the cusp. I don't think his moves were the right ones, but I can understand him being blinded, especially coming off those magical 3 seasons reaching the conference finals and winning two cups.
KINGS17
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I understand WHY they did what they did but I think if you (you meaning DL) separate yourself from the emotion of the matter, you know that team didn't have the legs to do it again. I have zero doubt in my mind that if they didn't have that winning streak when they did they'd have been offloading at the deadline and trying to refill and hope for another shot in 2-3 years.
I honestly believe that trade and the Lucic one set the org back FAR MORE than any contract given to the Core 4. You put a Barzal or a Conner or a Boeser or a Konecny on that team with a Jakob Chychrun (they do worse in 2015-2016 and make the right pick here of course) and two or three other 1st rounders over the next three years? That seems a lot better than what ended up happening and it's not at all unrealistic a scenario.
TruKingFan
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The DL apologists will never admit It. it’s more convenient to blame the contracts.
Ziggy Stardust
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They'll make up excuses that a rebuild was coming, even though his last move was trading a prospect (Erik Cernak) for an oft-injured goalie rental who only appeared in 7 games here. That trade might be even worse than the Zhitnik for Fuhr trade.
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McMaster the disaster....lol, ahh that was a fun time to be a Kings fan.
Ziggy Stardust
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Thankfully he made a few redeeming moves on his way out. It was a rare win when the Kings actually came out on top of a trade back then, and they did that when they acquired Norstrom, Laperriere, Ferraro and LaFayette from the Rangers, and getting Glen Murray for an over-the-hill Ed Olczyk.
Steve Zissou
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johnjm22
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Petersen type contract. That's the market rate.
Panthers spending 14.5M on goaltending next season.
Raccoon Jesus
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I was just about to say imagine the controversy when they find Tavares' strain is from the bag skate
Lt Dan
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Some of the worst....
One of the weirder ones
and of course
Oh yeah Mc Master has some serious stinker trades. The questions were always is Gretzky telling him what to do or upper management above him
Some of the worst....
One of the weirder ones
and of course
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Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
There were some good trades though as well even early on
Ebell + Early Lacroix was great for us
Dafoe ended up being a better goalie than Fiset or Storrand yes Kristich was an ahole but he was good
The Kings horribly misused Ray or this would have been a steal
and as Ziggy mentioned, his best trade
Ebell + Early Lacroix was great for us
Dafoe ended up being a better goalie than Fiset or Storrand yes Kristich was an ahole but he was good
The Kings horribly misused Ray or this would have been a steal
and as Ziggy mentioned, his best trade
The team was cutting payroll and still bounced players' payroll checks.
What made the Zhitnik deal so terrible was not keeping Boucher. If we do that, it's not nearly as bad, if not even. Phillipe turned out great after he left.
Ziggy Stardust
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That's how cheap AEG was under Tim Leiweke and Kevin Gilmore. Thanks to them, the Kings nickel and dimed every player when it came to contract negotiations, thus the "Dumpster Dave" moniker came to existence. They lowballed Rob Blake, Luc Robitaille, Philippe Boucher, and signed the likes of Steve Heinze and Randy Robitaille, among other low budget free agent signings the Kings would make year-after-year (like replacing Stu Grimson with Ken Belanger).
When a big name would become a free agent, fans would get excited about the possibility of adding a big name, like Sergei Fedorov or Bill Guerin, but instead they'd wind up trading for the likes of Erik Rasmussen and Derek Armstrong and plugged them into top six roles.
ricardfromage
"You wanted the Germs, you get em"
"Erik Rasmussen and Derek Armstrong and plugging them into top 6 roles".
you say that like it was a bad thing.
you say that like it was a bad thing.
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