Around the League Thread part V

[redcard]

I'll never understand how some hockey fans can also follow soccer.

Close-mindedness is certainly a hockey fan trait.

 

[bland]

I'll never understand how some hockey fans can also follow soccer.

Why?

I love the hell out of hockey, but football is just the better sport. Better games, better broadcasts, better athletes. More tactical, more intricate, more passionate, more dramatic, just a higher level across the board. The history is far more interesting, the fans are generally more respectful and knowledgeable. McDavid can't touch the dominance of a Salah, Ronaldo, or Messi. You'll Never Walk Alone at Anfield blows the tits off of Canadians singing their anthem.

You don't have to choose, you can enjoy a variety of things for a variety of reasons.

 

[KINGS17]

Really, it's Arizona.

The players obviously don't want to change it. The teams at the top and bottom of the financial pyramid like it. Then when you legitimately need it, it's there.

If you want to get rid of it, you pretty much have to get rid of the cap. If you don't want to see 7 or 8 year deals for 30 year olds, you pretty much have to get rid of the cap. The cap fixed a few issues, to sone degree, but when you add more restrictions, it creates new problems.

That, or more labor disputes, and the players getting something out of the deal. Maybe UFA at 24 or 25, in exchange for 5 year max deals. UFA at 21 for a 3 year max.

Instead of getting rid of the cap, make the max contract five years, and remove the guaranteed status of the contract after three years.

That's right a player who is too expensive could be cut after three years, just like in the NFL.

No need to get rid of the salary cap, ever.

 

[YP44]

Really, it's Arizona.

The players obviously don't want to change it. The teams at the top and bottom of the financial pyramid like it. Then when you legitimately need it, it's there.

If you want to get rid of it, you pretty much have to get rid of the cap. If you don't want to see 7 or 8 year deals for 30 year olds, you pretty much have to get rid of the cap. The cap fixed a few issues, to sone degree, but when you add more restrictions, it creates new problems.

That, or more labor disputes, and the players getting something out of the deal. Maybe UFA at 24 or 25, in exchange for 5 year max deals. UFA at 21 for a 3 year max.

Arizona is making great use out of their cap space and buying draft capital. You are right to point them out too.

 

[All The Kings Men]

the fans are generally more respectful and knowledgeable

lol

 

[King'sPawn]

Instead of getting rid of the cap, make the max contract five years, and remove the guaranteed status of the contract after three years.

That's right a player who is too expensive could be cut after three years, just like in the NFL.

No need to get rid of the salary cap, ever.

Why would the players agree to a drastic drop in job security?

 

[KINGS17]

Why would the players agree to a drastic drop in job security?

There is always another CBA. If people don't like the 8-year deals, that is the way to stop them.

It was more of an extreme rebuttal to the other poster's constant criticism of the salary cap.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Instead of getting rid of the cap, make the max contract five years, and remove the guaranteed status of the contract after three years.

That's right a player who is too expensive could be cut after three years, just like in the NFL.

No need to get rid of the salary cap, ever.

The league would have to break the PA the way the NFL did all those years ago. Hockey players already willingly took a year off to attempt to keep the cap away. Keep.the cap, and implement no guaranteed contracts after whatever, and at that point the players have even less to lose.

Maybe if you get rid of the draft and go UFA at 18. That way the most attractive players get a bunch of money from 18-21, before they start getting too old. It's not like the players haven't gotten something out of any of the lockouts.

I know you want to crush the players, but with more and more players almost having to come from decently well off families, take the league away for a couple years, and those smarter families will start doing other things with their kids.

Even the NFLPA has come back into power a bit. Just look at the practice schedules. Players are even getting more up front guaranteed money in contracts. The years mean nothing, but the NFL has so much money that they damn near have to give it away to often unpredictable and unreliable players.

 

[King'sPawn]

There is always another CBA. If people don't like the 8-year deals, that is the way to stop them.

It was more of an extreme rebuttal to the other poster's constant criticism of the salary cap.

That's fair. I love the cap and would be all for a 5 year length maximum, but feel there would have to be a concession for players.

 

[bland]

lol

That ain't open to debate, it's night and day. Any given night at Crypto and you would be lucky to see 50% of the crowd that shows up looking at the ice and not their phones.

You watch European leagues and you'll see that fans keep their seats for generations, sing songs for players and keep grudges from decades before. Fans there know what they can expect from their teams and actually hold them to that standard. The supporters from smaller teams know they can't compete for titles but pack the houses and live for cup competitions and local rivalries.

When Ronaldo lost his infant son this year the week of the Man United Liverpool match, the most heated rivalry in England, the entirety of the crowd at Liverpool stood up for the whole 7th minute, Ronaldos jersey number, to sing and applaud him - one of the most divisive players in the sport. You will NEVER see anything even near as respectful as that from a hockey crowd:



Hell, how many people even in this niche forum of a niche team in a niche sport actually know what they are talking about?

 

[KINGS17]

That's fair. I love the cap and would be all for a 5 year length maximum, but feel there would have to be a concession for players.

I agree, I five-year max limit on contracts would be a huge concession from the players. I think when the last CBA was negotiated things were going well enough for both sides that neither side wanted to mess with it. I know the players were upset with the escrow situation, but they were the ones that kept invoking the cap inflator every off season.

 

[King'sPawn]

That ain't open to debate, it's night and day. Any given night at Crypto and you would be lucky to see 50% of the crowd that shows up looking at the ice and not their phones.

You watch European leagues and you'll see that fans keep their seats for generations, sing songs for players and keep grudges from decades before. Fans there know what they can expect from their teams and actually hold them to that standard. The supporters from smaller teams know they can't compete for titles but pack the houses and live for cup competitions and local rivalries.

When Ronaldo lost his infant son this year the week of the Man United Liverpool match, the most heated rivalry in England, the entirety of the crowd at Liverpool stood up for the whole 7th minute, Ronaldos jersey number, to sing and applaud him - one of the most divisive players in the sport. You will NEVER see anything even near as respectful as that from a hockey crowd:



Hell, how many people even in this niche forum of a niche team in a niche sport actually know what they are talking about?

There's no doubt that Soccer/Futbol has a more passionate following, and I won't speak to their knowledge...

But I have a hard time calling a fanbase "respectful" when there are more fan deaths at one of their deadliest matches than fan deaths in the history of all other modern sports, combined.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[DoktorJeep]

The most memorable part of Jack MF Johnson’s on ice career with the kings was getting blown up by Jan Bulis on his first regular season shift.

 

[Bandit]

Jack always seemed like a good guy that's been through some serious shit. Would be nice for the Avs to get it done with him.

 

[bouncesonly]

There's no doubt that Soccer/Futbol has a more passionate following, and I won't speak to their knowledge...

But I have a hard time calling a fanbase "respectful" when there are more fan deaths at one of their deadliest matches than fan deaths in the history of all other modern sports, combined.

Agreed, some of the most racist fans in all of sports.

 

[Choralone]

That ain't open to debate, it's night and day. Any given night at Crypto and you would be lucky to see 50% of the crowd that shows up looking at the ice and not their phones.

You watch European leagues and you'll see that fans keep their seats for generations, sing songs for players and keep grudges from decades before. Fans there know what they can expect from their teams and actually hold them to that standard. The supporters from smaller teams know they can't compete for titles but pack the houses and live for cup competitions and local rivalries.

When Ronaldo lost his infant son this year the week of the Man United Liverpool match, the most heated rivalry in England, the entirety of the crowd at Liverpool stood up for the whole 7th minute, Ronaldos jersey number, to sing and applaud him - one of the most divisive players in the sport. You will NEVER see anything even near as respectful as that from a hockey crowd:



Hell, how many people even in this niche forum of a niche team in a niche sport actually know what they are talking about?

I don't recall fans throwing bags of urine at opposing hockey players. Passionate =/= respectful.

 

[YP44]

That ain't open to debate, it's night and day. Any given night at Crypto and you would be lucky to see 50% of the crowd that shows up looking at the ice and not their phones.

You watch European leagues and you'll see that fans keep their seats for generations, sing songs for players and keep grudges from decades before. Fans there know what they can expect from their teams and actually hold them to that standard. The supporters from smaller teams know they can't compete for titles but pack the houses and live for cup competitions and local rivalries.

When Ronaldo lost his infant son this year the week of the Man United Liverpool match, the most heated rivalry in England, the entirety of the crowd at Liverpool stood up for the whole 7th minute, Ronaldos jersey number, to sing and applaud him - one of the most divisive players in the sport. You will NEVER see anything even near as respectful as that from a hockey crowd:



Hell, how many people even in this niche forum of a niche team in a niche sport actually know what they are talking about?

so you are a soccer fan because you like the fans?

no issue at all with soccer fans, just feels like an odd main reason.

 

[Maynard]

so you are a soccer fan because you like the fans?

no issue at all with soccer fans, just feels like an odd main reason.

Soccer fans are DYING to legitimize their sport in North America and no matter how hard they try, it just doesn’t happen. It starts to become condescending, like we’re just not capable of “getting it”.

Just enjoy your sport. Stop trying to recruit everyone into liking it.

 

[TwzKing]

Soccer fans are DYING to legitimize their sport in North America and no matter how hard they try, it just doesn’t happen. It starts to become condescending, like we’re just not capable of “getting it”.

Just enjoy your sport. Stop trying to recruit everyone into liking it.

I think over the next decade with the Usmnt starting to develop stars it will get more attention. Not to mention the world cup.

 

[Herby]

The most memorable part of Jack MF Johnson’s on ice career with the kings was getting blown up by Jan Bulis on his first regular season shift.

The guy was on the US Olympic Team in a best vs best tournament at the same age that some players are still referred to as "kids" and "prospects"

He didn't live up to the hype, but he was still a quality NHL player for a long time.

 

[Maynard]

I think over the next decade with the Usmnt starting to develop stars it will get more attention. Not to mention the world cup.

Been hearing this from my soccer fan buddies for 30 years.

“It’s not that popular now but just wait until….”

Yeah ok.

 

[Herby]

Soccer fans are DYING to legitimize their sport in North America and no matter how hard they try, it just doesn’t happen. It starts to become condescending, like we’re just not capable of “getting it”.

Just enjoy your sport. Stop trying to recruit everyone into liking it.

I kind of agree, but in a lot of ways hockey fans act the same way.

 

[Maynard]

I kind of agree, but in a lot of ways hockey fans act the same way.

I suppose you’re right. I don’t go around trying to make hockey fans out of people but I’m sure there are a lot of people that do. My perspective is probably skewed because I have a couple of buddies that WILL NOT stfu about soccer.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't recall fans throwing bags of urine at opposing hockey players. Passionate =/= respectful.

Edmonton dressed mike smith, darnell nurse, evander kane, and zach kassian

It wasn't the fans technically, but the organization did!