Around the League Thread part V

[ZJames]

Are these teams (Calgary and Colorado) that bad on defense or was Quick that good?

Yes.

 

[tny760]

I think for skaters trying to get out - skating opposite direction of the play - they should let that go as they did. Offside's actually sucks in general. Having played some roller with no offsides you realize it kills a lot of creativity

i don't necessarily have a problem with the rule but i think that would open up a whole nother can of worms even if it might be more fun to watch

can't help but feel like an NHL coach might seriously just sit 5 back in the D zone as soon as they lose possession if they can't neutral zone trap any more. would definitely be interesting to see the systems changes though

 

[FSL KINGS]

Looking like there will be a market for Cal after this game.

 

[AbsentMojo]

i don't necessarily have a problem with the rule but i think that would open up a whole nother can of worms even if it might be more fun to watch

can't help but feel like an NHL coach might seriously just sit 5 back in the D zone as soon as they lose possession if they can't neutral zone trap any more. would definitely be interesting to see the systems changes though

At first I used to make fun of it.. but after awhile i developed a liking to it once I realized teams couldnt do what you mentioned... it never paid off to leave a guy in the o-zone or the d-zone.. systems naturally developed and just flowed similar to 3 on 3. Look for some Narch pro games on youtube for a taste. The NHL will never do that, but it was eye opening to play that way and not worry about tagging up or being slightly ahead of the play.

 

[BigKing]

A little creative license going on there. When he was traded the Kings weren't in a playoff spot. And, one could reasonably conclude that had he stayed they would have been just another regular season failure.

I did say maybe he didn't make the playoffs often because he was playing for said non - playoff team.

 

[FeartheFur]

something odd about hearing 'closing the 5 hole on Hymen'

This is like the NBA before Jordan started making it defense first

Yeah baby!!!

Kane’s contract is up. He fills two holes. Scoring and toughness. Get this guy.

Then get your LD.

 

[KINGS17]

The NHL has opened a can of worms by not calling the Makar goal back on an offsides. I think it is clear that he is possessing the puck even if his stick is not touching it.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Ridiculous game.

Colorado does not suit us so well and we would have lost anyway. Absolute No brainer.

I repeat what I have been saying after game 7 though, LA did really well, despite all the Debby Downers around here. Who knows with Doughty we would have made it to the WCF.

Same with Willy Mitchell vs. Chicago in 2013.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The NHL has opened a can of worms by not calling the Makar goal back on an offsides. I think it is clear that he is possessing the puck even if his stick is not touching it.

Not how the delayed offside works though.....it's something they've actually called consistently for years.

 

[Lt Dan]

Yeah baby!!!

Kane’s contract is up. He fills two holes. Scoring and toughness. Get this guy.

Then get your LD.

Hell no

 

[Mats26]

We are so far away from competing against these high powered teams. I really hope the first round "success" doesn't sway the staff because it's clear we don't have any firepower to battle in these type of games, and we need it. We are going to need some young dynamic forwards.

Our only defense now are prayers for Quick that he can hold the fort or until our D gets more experience. I'am more optimistic about the defense though.

Going to be a big tell on the direction this team is going with the player(s) they will bring in, if any.

 

[YP44]

The over was 12.5.
14 goals scored.
Someone must've taken the over.

Mike Smith

 

[King'sPawn]

The over was 12.5.
14 goals scored.
Someone must've taken the over.

Evander Kane.

 

[KingsFan7824]

We are so far away from competing against these high powered teams. I really hope the first round "success" doesn't sway the staff because it's clear we don't have any firepower to battle in these type of games, and we need it. We are going to need some young dynamic forwards.

Our only defense now are prayers for Quick that he can hold the fort or until our D gets more experience. I'am more optimistic about the defense though.

Going to be a big tell on the direction this team is going with the player(s) they will bring in, if any.

Just don't follow the Colorado playbook. Get MacKinnon after a terrible year. Then make the playoffs. Then miss for 2 years. Then completely bottom out as one of the worst teams in recent memory, while having MacKinnon, Duchene, Rantanen, and Landeskog on your team, lucking into Makar, a full 4 years after you drafted your great future 1C. A former player as GM. The guy even let Duchene infect the locker room for a year when he didn't want to be there. A coach nobody seemed to like. Might be accused of being a franchise with no idea what it's doing. The goal couldn't have been, let's be far worse in MacKinnon's third year, than we were before drafting the guy from Crosby's childhood block. That's not a plan.

 

[DAkings20]

JQ was the only real goalie in the West

Evander Kane.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Not how the delayed offside works though.....it's something they've actually called consistently for years.

I was gonna say this is how I've understood the rule since I was a teenager 25 years ago...did it change along the way somewhere?

I can't count how many times i lightly pushed the puck into the zone and let it float until my guy touched up then went after it so I don't understand what I'm missing here other than an opportunity for Edmonton media to prove the world is out to get them

Maybe it's jsut that people don't do it as much anymore since standing up at the line is so popular?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I was gonna say this is how I've understood the rule since I was a teenager 25 years ago...did it change along the way somewhere?

I can't count how many times i lightly pushed the puck into the zone and let it float until my guy touched up then went after it so I don't understand what I'm missing here other than an opportunity for Edmonton media to prove the world is out to get them

Maybe it's jsut that people don't do it as much anymore since standing up at the line is so popular?

It's fandom......that's all.....if it happened against LA the board would be up in arms here......but on the face of it, it's been a hockey play for the past 40 years......nothing has changed.

 

[redcard]

I was gonna say this is how I've understood the rule since I was a teenager 25 years ago...did it change along the way somewhere?

I can't count how many times i lightly pushed the puck into the zone and let it float until my guy touched up then went after it so I don't understand what I'm missing here other than an opportunity for Edmonton media to prove the world is out to get them

Maybe it's jsut that people don't do it as much anymore since standing up at the line is so popular?

I think that's exactly it, you probably don't see it much in the NHL because of the risk of turning the puck over at the blue line vs just dumping it in. Not to mention the possibility of a linesman incorrectly calling it offside in real time anyway.

 

[Kudelski37]

I was gonna say this is how I've understood the rule since I was a teenager 25 years ago...did it change along the way somewhere?

I can't count how many times i lightly pushed the puck into the zone and let it float until my guy touched up then went after it so I don't understand what I'm missing here other than an opportunity for Edmonton media to prove the world is out to get them

Maybe it's jsut that people don't do it as much anymore since standing up at the line is so popular?

By rule 83.3, the play was off side because Makar tried to play the puck in the o zone during a delayed offside before his teammate tagged up. This is why the rules for a dump in don't apply.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

By rule 83.3, the play was off side because Makar tried to play the puck in the o zone during a delayed offside before his teammate tagged up. This is why the rules for a dump in don't apply.

Incorrect, he has to be attempting to play.....a LOOSE puck...... was the puck loose?

Possession rules do not apply for delayed offside, only if it is touched. You can still have possession and not touch the puck.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

By rule 83.3, the play was off side because Makar tried to play the puck in the o zone during a delayed offside before his teammate tagged up. This is why the rules for a dump in don't apply.

At the very least, it's debatable based on my understanding of the rule and how it was always called historically, ie it never had to be a full dump in, you could just 'release' and not touch the puck until your guy tagged up. I can see a world in which people argue this--that he's trying to play it--but IMO it's very clear that he pushed it and was waiting. I don't think you're 'wrong,' this is just my interpretation--the issue is that some people are completely dismissing this possible interpretation.

But as I said above, I'm an idiot, and maybe this changed somewhere along the way. But when they stated the reason for the non-offsides, it never even crossed my mind to question it, as I've always understood that to be a way to avoid offsides, so I was utterly shocked to see how many people were in complete disdain, "LOL NHL MAKING UP RULES AS THEY GO ALONG TO SCREW CANADIAN TEAMS" was just like...are you sure you're from Canada? Was it just a SCAHA rule or something?

 

[Steve Zissou]

When the Great One speaks, you listen.

 

[Kudelski37]

Incorrect, he has to be attempting to play.....a LOOSE puck...... was the puck loose?

Possession rules do not apply for delayed offside, only if it is touched. You can still have possession and not touch the puck.

If possession rules don't apply then Makar is attempting to play a loose puck because he isn't touching it and possession allows for control without contact.

 

[kingsfan28]

When the Great One speaks, you listen.

No kidding. He was spot on saying you still need to play defence, especially calling out the Avs player who thought it was a good idea to jump into the play up 7-3 and it burned them. The Oilers weren't that far off from tying it in the final minute.

 

[BigKing]

"Spirit of the rule" is that the Makar play was and always has been an offsides play. He possessed the puck and brought it into the zone before his player touched up.

Technically, he hadn't touched it in the offensive zone yet so they upheld the call but, let's be real here, he was in possession of the puck before the touchup even if he wasn't touching it for that half second.