Around the League Thread | November Rain

[Hodgy]

His skating, to me, looks notably worse than when he had his previous slump. His skating is awful. I've never seen it this laboured.

I think you are wrong on this and this is an important point as it really calls into question whether the patellar tendinitis could be impacting his skating to the degree some are claiming. I distinctly remember how slow and undynamic he looked, and in fact,I looked back in the thread (Player Discussion - Had Pettersson Regressed?) and on December 11, 2021 I posted the following:

"Pettersson’s skating is the real issue. He can’t create and time and space. Hopefully he gets back on track."

Other posters also commented on him looking slow. I haven't read the whole the thread.

Petey said he basically had to "work around" the tendonitis in the offseason. That doesn't indicate, to me, that it's "no big deal" and is causing him "no pain" or no issue. It's the club that seems to insist the injury is basically imagined.

According to Pettersson and as of training camp, it does indicate that the patellar tendinitis is no big deal. This is the exchange:

Petey: i don't know exactly how to explain it, but its like a nagging injury, don't want to go around it easy, but we figured out a way to work around it

Reporter: is part of that maybe some rest in camp

Petey: we'll see, I don't feel any pain right now or after so its....its not a big thing, the knee is fine

You can watch the interview. It was posted in the other thread a few days back.

Again, as I said before, whether anyone thinks the injury should affect his play this much is debatable. But honestly it should be without question that there is some kind of very real physical ailment limiting him.

No doubt. It has been confirmed there is an injury. The question is how severe the injury is.

 

[MS]

I think you are wrong on this and this is an important point as it really calls into question whether the patellar tendinitis could be impacting his skating to the degree some are claiming. I distinctly remember how slow and undynamic he looked, and in fact,I looked back in the thread (Player Discussion - Had Pettersson Regressed?) and on December 11, 2021 I posted the following:

"Pettersson’s skating is the real issue. He can’t create and time and space. Hopefully he gets back on track."

Other posters also commented on him looking slow. I haven't read the whole the thread.



According to Pettersson and as of training camp, it does indicate that the patellar tendinitis is no big deal. This is the exchange:

Petey: i don't know exactly how to explain it, but its like a nagging injury, don't want to go around it easy, but we figured out a way to work around it

Reporter: is part of that maybe some rest in camp

Petey: we'll see, I don't feel any pain right now or after so its....its not a big thing, the knee is fine

You can watch the interview. It was posted in the other thread a few days back.

No doubt. It has been confirmed there is an injury. The question is how severe the injury is.

Yeah those 2021 Pettersson threads are a trip in terms of how identical they are to the discussions now, right down to the 'Monstars stole his talent' jokes.

And, like you, I remember his skating (and overall play) as being almost *exactly* like this.

 

[bossram]

I have no idea to what extent whatever injury he has or doesn’t have is affecting his skating. I don’t think it’s why he’s playing like doodoo though.

Once, again, as I've said many times, I also don't know how much the injury should affect his play.

But the vast preponderance of information we have at hand suggest there is a real injury: NHL Edge skating data, visually laboured skating, his own comments literally saying there is a physical injury.

I think you are wrong on this and this is an important point as it really calls into question whether the patellar tendinitis could be impacting his skating to the degree some are claiming. I distinctly remember how slow and undynamic he looked, and in fact,I looked back in the thread (Player Discussion - Had Pettersson Regressed?) and on December 11, 2021 I posted the following:

"Pettersson’s skating is the real issue. He can’t create and time and space. Hopefully he gets back on track."

Other posters also commented on him looking slow. I haven't read the whole the thread.

According to Pettersson and as of training camp, it does indicate that the patellar tendinitis is no big deal. This is the exchange:

Petey: i don't know exactly how to explain it, but its like a nagging injury, don't want to go around it easy, but we figured out a way to work around it

Reporter: is part of that maybe some rest in camp

Petey: we'll see, I don't feel any pain right now or after so its....its not a big thing, the knee is fine

You can watch the interview. It was posted in the other thread a few days back.

No doubt. It has been confirmed there is an injury. The question is how severe the injury is.

Harm Dayal found from the NHL Edge Data that there is a concrete deterioration in his skating ability. I think he looks slower than I've ever seen him. I'm going to stick to my conclusion that his skating is severely compromised.

In one breath, Petey says he has an injury. In another, he downplays it because he doesn't want to make it too notable or public. Maybe it really is "no big deal". But based on his physical movement, I will stick with the conclusion that the injury is limiting his skating.

 

[MS]

The Harm Dayal found from the NHL Edge Data that there is a concrete deterioration in his skating ability. I think he looks slower than I've ever seen him. I'm going to stick to my conclusion that his skating is severely compromised.

In one breath, Petey says he has an injury. In another, he downplays it because he doesn't want to make it too notable or public. Maybe it really is "no big deal". But based on his physical movement, I will stick with the conclusion that the injury is limiting his skating.

Nobody is claiming that his skating isn’t crap right now. It’s hardly some sort of revelation that those numbers are bad. But those numbers don’t really tell us anything about WHY. Maybe he’s cripplingly hurt? Or maybe the sort of mental funk he’s in right now just means he isn’t competing and maxing himself out right now the way he normally does.

If we had proper data from the first half of the 21-22 season to compare, then we could actually make some judgements about why his skating is bad. But we don’t, that I have seen.

 

[Hodgy]

The Harm Dayal found from the NHL Edge Data that there is a concrete deterioration in his skating ability. I think he looks slower than I've ever seen him. I'm going to stick to my conclusion that his skating is severely compromised.

I don't think we have the NHL Edge Data from his past slump so it isn't overly helpful. I think your recollection is just wrong and your conclusion is a poor one, and I looked through that thread and tons of posters thought he looked slow and weak during his last slump. Here are some quotes:

-He's not skating. There was a play in one of the Ducks Games where he was forechecking and Getzlaf had the puck. Instead of skating and catching that old f*** he instead started reaching with his stick and Getzlaf blew by him​

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-Effort on that EN goal says it all. Just giving zero f***s out there.​

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-He's weak on his skates and doesn't seem as fast.​

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-His speed/hustle that was so evident in year 1 is gone​

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-The passing, the skating, the turnovers it's just all bad.​

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-He just doesn't move his feet at all. He just glides around.​

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-Physically speaking, the issue seems to be that a gentle breeze knocks him over, and he seems to have substituted skating with coasting around.​

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-Kid can't even skate or make 10 foot passes.​

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-he's not a fast skater, he's not a strong skater​

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-EP has completely checked out on a physical level. He is just going through the motions, he is the epitome of being easy to play against. Maybe someone should point that out to him?​

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-If EP can't be bothered to actually move his legs when he's on the ice, I have no problem with seeing what the trade market is like, although it's hard to imagine getting good value for a player who falls to the ice once per shift.​

In one breath, Petey says he has an injury. In another, he downplays it because he doesn't want to make it too notable or public. Maybe it really is "no big deal". But based on his physical movement, I will stick with the conclusion that the injury is limiting his skating.

Again, I think your conclusion is wrong, and I think people would have thought you were crazy if during his last slump you had stated he was "skating fine" or whatever because he clearly wasn't skating well.

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[bossram]

I don't think we have the NHL Edge Data from his past slump so it isn't overly helpful. I think your recollection is just wrong and your conclusion is a poor one, and I looked through that thread and tons of posters thought he looked slow and weak during his last slump. Here are some quotes:

-He's not skating. There was a play in one of the Ducks Games where he was forechecking and Getzlaf had the puck. Instead of skating and catching that old f*** he instead started reaching with his stick and Getzlaf blew by him​

​

-Effort on that EN goal says it all. Just giving zero f***s out there.​

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-He's weak on his skates and doesn't seem as fast.​

​

-His speed/hustle that was so evident in year 1 is gone​

​

-The passing, the skating, the turnovers it's just all bad.​

​

-He just doesn't move his feet at all. He just glides around.​

​

-Physically speaking, the issue seems to be that a gentle breeze knocks him over, and he seems to have substituted skating with coasting around.​

​

-Kid can't even skate or make 10 foot passes.​

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-he's not a fast skater, he's not a strong skater​

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-EP has completely checked out on a physical level. He is just going through the motions, he is the epitome of being easy to play against. Maybe someone should point that out to him?​

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-If EP can't be bothered to actually move his legs when he's on the ice, I have no problem with seeing what the trade market is like, although it's hard to imagine getting good value for a player who falls to the ice once per shift.​

Again, I think your conclusion is wrong, and I think people would have thought you were crazy if during his last slump you had stated he was "skating fine" or whatever because he clearly wasn't skating well.

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You think my conclusion is wrong. I think your conclusion is wrong. Congrats. I think the extent of my evaluation of Petey during his last slump was that "he'll be fine" and that trading him would be a massive mistake. I don't recall myself harping on his skating a ton (I actually searched my old posts to see if I had!).

If other people would have thought my opinion was crazy during Pettersson's last slump, well, I guess they did.

Also, my contention with some of the criticism above is nuanced. I don't actually think Petey is being "lazy" now, as some of the posters above thought he was during his last slump. By my eye, he's working hard defensively. Right now, I think he's physically just not able to have any kind of pop in his skating.

Again, I will stick with my conclusion.

 

[Hodgy]

You think my conclusion is wrong. I think your conclusion is wrong. Congrats. I think the extent of my evaluation of Petey during his last slump was that "he'll be fine" and that trading him would be a massive mistake. I don't recall myself harping on his skating a ton (I actually searched my old posts to see if I had!).

I think your conclusion is suspect because one of the premises it relies on is demonstrably false as shown by all of those quotes. A central tenet of your argument is that because he looks slow he must have an injury to explain that. However, this premise is actually false because he's looked slow before and didn't have an injury that caused that.

If other people would have thought my opinion was crazy during Pettersson's last slump, well, I guess they did.

We aren't talking about your opinion on whether "he'll be fine" and that you didn't want to trade him. And in fact, I think he will come out of this slump just as he did the last one. The point is whether he was slow and not skating fast during his last slump and clearly people think this was the case. Frankly, I don't think anyone at that time would have made an argument to the contrary.

Also, my contention with some of the criticism above is nuanced. I don't actually think Petey is being "lazy" now, as some of the posters above thought he was during his last slump. By my eye, he's working hard defensively. Right now, I think he's physically just not able to have any kind of pop in his skating.

Ya, I don't actually disagree with you on that. I also don't think he is being lazy.

 

[mriswith]

Oh good another thread to discuss how EP's chronic nagging injury that won't go away and had to be worked around all summer and still needs to be worked around and still hasn't gone away never actually had any significant impact on his play because he said he's fine once in an interview directly after describing how it's a chronic nagging injury that hasn't gone away and had to be worked around all summer, which absolutely negates that it effected his play going back to January when the injury started.

 

[Hodgy]

Oh good another thread to discuss how EP's chronic nagging injury that won't go away and had to be worked around all summer and still needs to be worked around and still hasn't gone away never actually had any significant impact on his play because he said he's fine once in an interview directly after describing how it's a chronic nagging injury that hasn't gone away and had to be worked around all summer, which absolutely negates that it effected his play going back to January when the injury started.

Nice, another strawman from you!

 

[mriswith]

Nice, another strawman from you!

Identify the strawman before these posts get deleted because you're spreading into this thread now.

 

[Vector]

Could you both just not?

 

[Hodgy]

Identify the strawman before these posts get deleted because you're spreading into this thread now.

Your whole post was a strawman and I identified it as such by calling it a strawman. No one, as far as I can tell, was making the argument you made in your post thus making it a strawman.

And I didn't spread this into this thread I responded to someone else.

And I'm so sorry @Vector

 

[Szechwan]

nm

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Just got an email from Sportsnet Plus. Prices going up again on Jan 6th. Standard streaming package will be $25 per month instead of the current $20.

And then they have the audacity to cry about pirates and whatnot.

 

[MS]

I think your conclusion is suspect because one of the premises it relies on is demonstrably false as shown by all of those quotes. A central tenet of your argument is that because he looks slow he must have an injury to explain that. However, this premise is actually false because he's looked slow before and didn't have an injury that caused that.

He didn't have a leg injury to explain being slow in 2021 nor does he have any sort of injury to explain the decline in his shot power this season, and yet people want to blame that on some phantom injury, too.

 

[Vector]

*Checks thread title*

Yo, keep the Pettersson talk contained to the Pettersson thread.

 

[bossram]

*Checks thread title*

Yo, keep the Pettersson talk contained to the Pettersson thread.

We need to get back to the real topic at hand: public transportation.

Cc: @Bojack Horvatman

 

[4th line culture]

Which nhl city has the best public transportation to their rink?

 

[Vector]

 

[arttk]

We need to get back to the real topic at hand: public transportation.

Cc: @Bojack Horvatman

Back to orca vs skate talk

 

[VanillaCoke]

Oil can have all the ahlers, nucks going to get Jiricek.

 

[Jerry the great]

that's an unfortunate name

 

[I am toxic]

If you rearrange the letters in Elias Petterson, it spells public transportation in Swedish.

Or chiropractor, I can never remember which.

 

[rypper]

that's an unfortunate name

R.Attard

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Cousin of former NHLer Tim Gleason.