Around the League Thread | Marching to the Trade Deadline

[Canucker]

Grieg was being a bit of a dick there though right?

I mean 90% of the guys upset here would be defending a Canuck player if McDavid did that to us last year right?

Sure, but dickish behavior happens all the time, it doesn't mean you get carte blanche for frontier justice.

I'm really not a fan of police interference in the NHL, but at some point, if the NHL isn't cleaning up their act with acts of overt violence, when do they step in? These players are adults, if they can't play a sport without some level of temper control, where is the line? Do we need another Bertuzzi incident?

 

[StreetHawk]

It's literally the exact Dale Hunter play. Should be 10 games.

But of course, because it's Toronto and because Greig violated 'the code' (even though he broke no rules and did absolutely nothing wrong) a guy like Parros will see him as the villain instead of Rielly.

NHL also rules on injury. Turgeon suffered a shoulder injury.

Should at least be the 6 that Perron got earlier in the year.

Zadorov got suspended before the leafs game ended yet the nhl can’t decide whether this is worthy of an in person hearing yet? Trying to make sure the leafs who are tied with Det for 7/8 don’t get hurt and miss the PO?

 

[MS]

Except it's not the excat same play, hunter's hit was a total blindside.

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Sure Reilly made a stupid play and probably should get some punishment for it but if this was a Columbus player there would be about 10% the reaction on this Canucks boards but Leafs and Oilers live rent free here.



Grieg was being a bit of a dick there though right?

I mean 90% of the guys upset here would be defending a Canuck player if McDavid did that to us last year right?

It's a charge/attack to a player after a whistle when a goal was scored. It's the same thing. Grieg did see Rielly coming a split second before ... but Rielly's shot was to the head which is considered more serious now than Hunter's which didn't.

Being 'a bit of a dick' doesn't mean you're free to get cross-checked in the head. Greig broke no rules and did nothing wrong. If McDavid did that, I'd think it was a bit of a prick move but I wouldn't even remotely be expecting a Canuck to crosscheck him in the face in retaliation.

 

[wetcoast]

Sure, but dickish behavior happens all the time, it doesn't mean you get carte blanche for frontier justice.

No I agree but people equating this with the Turgeon hit, I mean come one really?

also the poster I was replying to is one of the ebtter ones around he shouldn't have a Leaf rent free affect his jusdment on that call 10 games and Grieg went down really asy there.

Once again it was a stupid play by Reilly and he should get punished but the over reaction around here is something else.

I'm really not a fan of police interference in the NHL, but at some point, if the NHL isn't cleaning up their act with acts of overt violence, when do they step in? These players are adults, if they can't play a sport without some level of temper control, where is the line?

There is no line and no consistency and that is part of the problem but people equating this to the Hunter hot are part of the problem not the solution.

Do we need another Bertuzzi incident?

No of course not and this is nothing like that either.

 

[andora]

It's ironic how I can read there's a bias for the leaves potentially but if you follow their board the biases totally against the leaves

 

[Egghead1999]

Oilers.

They face literally 2 teams that aren’t actually bad and lose 3-1 and 4-0.

Their first back to back in how many days?

They are such a mid ass team.

did they win the ducks in between? anyway, for the oilers, a few bad habits came back in the Kings game, not good.

 

[wetcoast]

It's a charge/attack to a player after a whistle when a goal was scored. It's the same thing. Grieg did see Rielly coming a split second before ... but Rielly's shot was to the head which is considered more serious now than Hunter's which didn't.

Man the same thing, like watch the 2 videos and yes there was a goal scored and guys were wearing jerseys ect but the same thing come on you know better.

Being 'a bit of a dick' doesn't mean you're free to get cross-checked in the head.

We agree here but not on the next part no Grieg didn't break any rules but that's hardly sportsmanlike is it?

Take off the Canucks jersey and feeling about the Leafs for a second here and think about it.

Greig broke no rules and did nothing wrong.

If McDavid did that, I'd think it was a bit of a prick move but I wouldn't even remotely be expecting a Canuck to crosscheck him in the face in retaliation.

Maybe you wouldn't but we all know how the jersey any player is wearing does matter for many people here and elsewhere right?

 

[Egghead1999]

They look like a team going through the emotions of recognizing that their window has already closed.

Reminds me of the 2012-13 era Canucks. Which means next year will be their ‘Tortorella’ year.

Do they have a team next year? that is the REAL question. They have no cap room for a full roster

 

[Canucker]

No I agree but people equating this with the Turgeon hit, I mean come one really?

also the poster I was replying to is one of the ebtter ones around he shouldn't have a Leaf rent free affect his jusdment on that call 10 games and Grieg went down really asy there.

Once again it was a stupid play by Reilly and he should get punished but the over reaction around here is something else.

There is no line and no consistency and that is part of the problem but people equating this to the Hunter hot are part of the problem not the solution.



No of course not and this is nothing like that either.

I think it is similar to the Hunter/Turgeon incident...the guy attacked another player after scoring a goal...outcomes were different, but it was a player who lost control and attacked someone because he didn't like their "antics".

 

[quat]

The what? What information needed to be gathered? Why could you fast track Zadorov’s but this will take several days? He might get a hearing for a retaliatory cross-check to the head?

Translation: "we're going to let things die down a bit to see what little we can do and get away with"

 

[Canucker]

We agree here but not on the next part no Grieg didn't break any rules but that's hardly sportsmanlike is it?

One could say its not sportsmanlike, i honestly don't care too much about it...but unsportsmanlike conduct is for the refs to police, not the players.

 

[Deeds26]

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Colour me pleasantly surprised.

Wonder if this will change the tune of all the Toronto talking heads about how they feel about it.

 

[Deeds26]

 

[andora]

i think this is why things get so muddy is we make them muddy. comparing this to the turgeon hit is completely valid IF you keep it simple.

after a goal, dead play
hunted and targeted

why does it need to get more complicated than that? what difference does the angle difference of greig turgeon matter? why does it matter if hunter skated further.. if we keep it simple, it actually keeps it simple.

 

[StickShift]

This is the right move. Attack to the hit, on a retaliation to a non-violent incident, after the play was dead, to an unsuspecting player.

I'm going to roll the DOPs wheel of justice and say 9 games.

 

[MS]

Man the same thing, like watch the 2 videos and yes there was a goal scored and guys were wearing jerseys ect but the same thing come on you know better.

We agree here but not on the next part no Grieg didn't break any rules but that's hardly sportsmanlike is it?

Take off the Canucks jersey and feeling about the Leafs for a second here and think about it.





Maybe you wouldn't but we all know how the jersey any player is wearing does matter for many people here and elsewhere right?

Holy f***, man.

Yes, it is the same thing as the Hunter thing. It's an unsuspecting player celebrating a goal getting attacked well after the goal.

The fact that Greig did a (very minor) cocky/dick move play is irrelevant.

If a Canuck did this, I would not be defending it. It's literally cross-checking a player in the head ages after a whistle for no reason. It's not a good play, and it's not defensible because a player shot the puck into an open net a little bit harder than usual.

If, like, JT Miller did this to Greig I'd be absolutely f***ing furious at Miller for getting himself long-term suspended so pointlessly, not somehow justifying it.

 

[Orr4Norris]

Do you know why players almost never clear the bench for a bench clearing brawl anymore? Because they know exactly what the punishment is which serves as a massive deterrent.

Hitting a player after a goal is scored (and the players all know the goal is scored) should be an automatic suspension. Minimum 10 games which can increase depending on the severity of the incident/injury.

If Rielly knows he’s getting 10 games automatically, he doesn’t make that play IMO. And that should be the goal of player safety - to never have to get involved.

Hitting a player after a goal when the game is done is a BS play and the NHL should want nothing to do with those sorts of plays.

 

[Peen]

I think Greig had something coming but a crosscheck to the head isn’t a “one for one” retribution. It’s dangerous.

 

[credulous]

it's obvious the zadorov suspension was fast tracked because the canucks played again immediately and the reilly suspension wasn't because the leafs don't play again until tuesday

 

[wetcoast]

Holy f***, man.

Yes, it is the same thing as the Hunter thing. It's an unsuspecting player celebrating a goal getting attacked well after the goal.

The fact that Greig did a (very minor) cocky/dick move play is irrelevant.

It's not the same thing and if one posted a poll showing the 2 videos without teams or players for context and ask which goal might provoke a negative reaction for the other team it would get shut down in a New York minute.

In fact if Greig had just slide the puck in there would be no reaction at all.

that being said Rielly was very wrong in his reaction but Turgeon never saw Hunter coming anyone watching the 2 videos would see the nuance there it's actually not nuance but plain to see.

If a Canuck did this, I would not be defending it. It's literally cross-checking a player in the head ages after a whistle for no reason. It's not a good play, and it's not defensible because a player shot the puck into an open net a little bit harder than usual.

If, like, JT Miller did this to Greig I'd be absolutely f***ing furious at Miller for getting himself long-term suspended so pointlessly, not somehow justifying it.

I'll take your word for this but you and I both know that some people all over Reilly would be defining if a Canuck player did this, hockey is a tribal sport.

 

[DarrenX]

If, like, JT Miller did this to Greig I'd be absolutely f***ing furious at Miller for getting himself long-term suspended so pointlessly, not somehow justifying it.

This, all day. The correct reaction was a bump and some profanity laced advice, not a shot to the head.

 

[MS]

It's not the same thing and if one posted a poll showing the 2 videos without teams or players for context and ask which goal might provoke a negative reaction for the other team it would get shut down in a New York minute.

In fact if Greig had just slide the puck in there would be no reaction at all.

that being said Rielly was very wrong in his reaction but Turgeon never saw Hunter coming anyone watching the 2 videos would see the nuance there it's actually not nuance but plain to see.


I'll take your word for this but you and I both know that some people all over Reilly would be defining if a Canuck player did this, hockey is a tribal sport.

This just literally doesn't matter at all. It's totally irrelevant. You're being a Code monkey here. It's like saying that if Brashear had fought McSorley or hadn't been taunting the Boston bench all night that he wouldn't have been pole-axed in the head. It doesn't f***ing matter. At all.

The fact that Grieg saw Rielly coming a split-second before also doesn't matter, as it didn't prevent him from being cross-checked in the head.

 

[wetcoast]

This is the right move. Attack to the hit, on a retaliation to a non-violent incident, after the play was dead, to an unsuspecting player.

I'm going to roll the DOPs wheel of justice and say 9 games.

You are going to be disappointed with the part in bold.

 

[wetcoast]

This just literally doesn't matter at all. It's totally irrelevant.

No how Grieg scored the goal is relevant to the situation and it also makes it entirely different than the hunter play, never mind that Turgeon was completely unsuspecting of Hunter targeting him.

You're being a Code monkey here. It's like saying that if Brashear had fought McSorley or hadn't been taunting the Boston bench all night that he wouldn't have been pole-axed in the head. It doesn't f***ing matter. At all.

Code monkey, really?

I said that Reilly deserves to get punished and that he was stupid in his reaction but anyone equating his play with Hunter and expecting a 21 game suspension is out to lunch.

The fact that Grieg saw Rielly coming a split-second before also doesn't matter, as it didn't prevent him from being cross-checked in the head.

The difference is that everyone knows that Grieg reasonably could expect a reaction from how he scored the ENG, Turgeon scored a "regular" goal.

If you disagree show me the multitude of ENG's scored the way Grieg scored his with a slap shot like that.

Like I said up thread I respect you as a poster but your over reaction here seems out of sorts.