Around the League Thread | Marching to the Trade Deadline

[StreetHawk]

Polar opposite of the PWHA is the NFL which never changes a rule for anything.

I remember being a kid in the 1990s and being confused as to why kickoffs were so pointless because every kick went through the end zone, and why they didn't just move the kickoff point back 20 yards so you'd actually have a ball in play and a potential for an exciting play?

And 25 or 30 years later ... still the exact same thing. I don't think a single kickoff yesterday was actually caught and returned, and it's totally pointless. But they won't change it.

Concussion lawsuit. A lot more injuries in kickoffs with the running start the coverage teams gets thus more violent collisions. They’ve moved the kickoff up and back before but ultimately, have it at the 35 so it’s virtually automatic to have a touchback now. No more Devin Hester’s.

Only rule changes they make are for injuries. Mainly to QB and now to protect receivers. Also eliminated the crack back block by offense and special teams.

Most rules don’t change aside from defining what a catch is.

 

[Horvat1C]

I think the jailbreak rule is an awesome thing to at least try out.

 

[Orr4Norris]

Speaking of gimmicks, why exactly is a team allowed to ice the puck when they are on the PK? Hey, you committed an infraction? We are going to put you down a player but you can now ice the puck with no consequences.

If I was going to change something around penalties, that would be it.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Speaking of gimmicks, why exactly is a team allowed to ice the puck when they are on the PK? Hey, you committed an infraction? We are going to put you down a player but you can now ice the puck with no consequences.

If I was going to change something around penalties, that would be it.

I suspect it's to prevent a plethora of stoppages in play because teams ice the puck anyway, be it unintentional or not. A lot of times it would be worth it to take the icing call, catch your breath for 30-40 seconds and then hope you win the faceoff.

 

[andora]

I suspect it's to prevent a plethora of stoppages in play because teams ice the puck anyway, be it unintentional or not. A lot of times it would be worth it to take the icing call, catch your breath for 30-40 seconds and then hope you win the faceoff.

Yeah I know doubt all it would do would slow the game down more

 

[Vector]

Sharks losing Hertl for several weeks due to knee surgery.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

I suspect it's to prevent a plethora of stoppages in play because teams ice the puck anyway, be it unintentional or not. A lot of times it would be worth it to take the icing call, catch your breath for 30-40 seconds and then hope you win the faceoff.

You nailed it.

What would be a cool trial is get rid of the off side rule during power play to counter the no icing.

Because the team on the power play looses the offensive zone face off and then fans have to watch teams struggle to get back in. Which is just as boring (more frustrating) as face off reset.


It would mean the high D can cheat back a couple meters aswell.

Maybe it would be too much of an imbalance though.

 

[strattonius]

Speaking of gimmicks, why exactly is a team allowed to ice the puck when they are on the PK? Hey, you committed an infraction? We are going to put you down a player but you can now ice the puck with no consequences.

If I was going to change something around penalties, that would be it.

It's a horrible idea. Constant whistles and not allowing line changes just completely destroys the fluidity. A team of 4 that are completely gassed has to somehow gain the red line to get a line change? You're basically sentencing the PK'ers to 2 minutes.

Sometimes there's a penalty on a scoring chance, sometimes the penalty is a fairly innocuous play in neutral ice. How high do you want PP% to be?

 

[racerjoe]

I have no problem with trying new things... its when something doesn't work and it stays that gets annoying...

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

I have no problem with trying new things... its when something doesn't work and it stays that gets annoying...

I'll try new things with you...

in the bedroom.

You nailed it.

What would be a cool trial is get rid of the off side rule during power play to counter the no icing.

Because the team on the power play looses the offensive zone face off and then fans have to watch teams struggle to get back in. Which is just as boring (more frustrating) as face off reset.


It would mean the high D can cheat back a couple meters aswell.

Maybe it would be too much of an imbalance though.

I'll nail you and struggle to get back in after.

 

[MS]

I have no problem with trying new things... its when something doesn't work and it stays that gets annoying...

I like thoughtful change that makes the game better or resolves an existing problem.

I hate (HATE!) gimmicks that are done for no purpose and don't solve any sort of issue.

I triple-hate things which mess with the basic integrity of the game. Like, one of the fundamentals of any sporting contest in any league around the world (outside of two-legged Cup games in Euro soccer) is that fans are watching two teams starting out on an even playing field. Carry-over penalties messes with that ... and why? What is that actually solving?

Concussion lawsuit. A lot more injuries in kickoffs with the running start the coverage teams gets thus more violent collisions. They’ve moved the kickoff up and back before but ultimately, have it at the 35 so it’s virtually automatic to have a touchback now. No more Devin Hester’s.

Only rule changes they make are for injuries. Mainly to QB and now to protect receivers. Also eliminated the crack back block by offense and special teams.

Most rules don’t change aside from defining what a catch is.

Then why not get rid of kickoffs entirely?

And why are punts still fine?

I'm no big CFL guy but the no-yards penalty is one rule that is easily superior to the NFL and makes for more exciting return situations.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Everyone relax, Reaves is backing Rielly. LMAO the Toronto Sports Network strikes again.

 

[MS]

Everyone relax, Reaves is backing Rielly. LMAO the Toronto Sports Network strikes again.

The reporting from TSN and Sportsnet on this is a great reminder of why I hate the Leafs so much.

 

[racerjoe]

I'll try new things with you...

in the bedroom.

Sorry... I am too Monogamous

I like thoughtful change that makes the game better or resolves an existing problem.

I hate (HATE!) gimmicks that are done for no purpose and don't solve any sort of issue.

I triple-hate things which mess with the basic integrity of the game. Like, one of the fundamentals of any sporting contest in any league around the world (outside of two-legged Cup games in Euro soccer) is that fans are watching two teams starting out on an even playing field. Carry-over penalties messes with that ... and why? What is that actually solving?

I can agree on the penalties carry into the next game. But others... I don't mind if they try them. Like I don't think the Jail break is a gimick... I think maybe it doesn't work and fine then get rid of it. But trying new things isn't a bad thing. But if it isn't working get rid of it. Like currently OT/SO needs to be changed.

 

[Canucker]

Everyone relax, Reaves is backing Rielly. LMAO the Toronto Sports Network strikes again.

The “keepers of the code” are usually the most irrelevant dinosaurs left in the league.

 

[MS]

I can agree on the penalties carry into the next game. But others... I don't mind if they try them. Like I don't think the Jail break is a gimick... I think maybe it doesn't work and fine then get rid of it. But trying new things isn't a bad thing. But if it isn't working get rid of it. Like currently OT/SO needs to be changed.

The Jailbreak is a gimmick with a gimmicky name and is the sort of thing the XFL did to try and 'seem cool' compared to the NFL. It's not the sort of change a serious league makes to their product.

Why is there a need for this? What problem is it solving?

 

[racerjoe]

The Jailbreak is a gimmick with a gimmicky name and is the sort of thing the XFL did to try and 'seem cool' compared to the NFL. It's not the sort of change a serious league makes to their product.

Why is there a need for this? What problem is it solving?

Its not always to solve a problem, sometimes it is too make the game better... and if this does or doesn't is a question at least to me. As someone else said maybe it makes teams more willing to go for it on the PK instead of icing it. So this could lead to more scoring chances for both the PK team trying to spring someone or the PP team trapping a tired team who over plays it.

Or it could end up just being stupid.

 

[StreetHawk]

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Then why not get rid of kickoffs entirely?

And why are punts still fine?

I'm no big CFL guy but the no-yards penalty is one rule that is easily superior to the NFL and makes for more exciting return situations.

They basically are. Even late in the game, teams no longer squib kick it to kill a couple of seconds. Really keep the KO to allow for the onsides kick, which now due to safety, rare to see a recovery.

Punts, because the return team is immediately blocking the kicking team, so the speed isn't as great as having a 40 yard running start as you have on KO.

Personally, I do wish that they flagged any punts that do not land in bounds. I'm fine with the fair catch. But, I don't see why punters should be rewarded for angling a punt out of bounds and having the official determine approximately when it went out of bounds. If it doesn't land in bounds first should add 10 yards to the return team's starting position IMO.

 

[strattonius]

The Jailbreak is a gimmick with a gimmicky name and is the sort of thing the XFL did to try and 'seem cool' compared to the NFL. It's not the sort of change a serious league makes to their product.

Why is there a need for this? What problem is it solving?

I honestly don't think it will matter either way. I think the league is a failed business endeavor- actually I think it was more an excerise in social justice rather than a practical business decision but I'll digress on the matter since it bothers a lot of people.

 

[MS]

Its not always to solve a problem, sometimes it is too make the game better... and if this does or doesn't is a question at least to me. As someone else said maybe it makes teams more willing to go for it on the PK instead of icing it. So this could lead to more scoring chances for both the PK team trying to spring someone or the PP team trapping a tired team who over plays it.

Or it could end up just being stupid.

This is a sport with 100+ years of history.

You could make all sorts of fun crazy gimmick rules that kids would think were cool for a half-season but it just isn't the sport. Hey, if a guy can pick up the puck behind his own goal line and go end-to-end to score, it counts as 2 goals! That would encourage exciting dekes and crazy goals! But it's not hockey and it's just ... not serious.

The sport has a set of rules and history. The only reason those rules should be changed is to fix a significant problem that has developed or to significantly improve the sport. Not, 'wow, we think this would be kinda fun!'

 

[StickShift]

Article drumming up interest in the PWHL's jailbreak rule. SHG negates the rest of the penalty

Rink Fries: Would the NHL consider adopting the PWHL's 'jailbreak' rule?

Returning with his weekly news and notes column, Jeff Marek writes about the PWHL's exciting 'jailbreak' rule, Renata Fast's milestone game, and wonders if Anthony Mantha could be some contender's final piece of the puzzle.

www.sportsnet.ca

Couple other neat PWHL takeaways
1. They dont have a definitive trade deadline date.. likely march 18, but maybe 19th.. but likely 18th
2. Their draft rules arent even set.. so no trading draft picks yet

I dislike the jailbreak rule. I don’t think we should be incentivizing teams to commit penalties and then have a method to get away with it.

In fact, I would advocate for a contrary rule change. That penalties last the full duration whether a PPG is scored or not. Treat a minor penalty the same as a major. It would create more offensive situations, and it will pressure players to commit less penalties which ought to give star players more space at 5v5 too.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Heating up.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Tanev just took out markstrom

 

[andora]

Tanev just took out markstrom

LOL if I'm stuck here so are you

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

f***ing disgraceful that anyone associated with Toronto (players, coaching staff, media) are all supporting Reilly and think it was nothing.

If it was the other way around, it would be a national travesty in the mold of Bertuzzi on Moore.