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Reverend Mayhem
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I think Drury is also an idiot for leaving his young guns with no carrot and all stick.
I'm honestly certain at this point Larry David would be the better coach. I have no idea why they hired Lavi. Peter Laviolette was once upon a time a fantastic coach. Right up there with the best. Those days are kinda gone now.
Sad but probably true. Rangers will ride out the rest of this miserable season and the fire everybody-Laviolette, Drury, the assistance coaches, and anybody else who isn't tethered to a desk.
The thing people will be talking about well into the off-season is how a President's Trophy winning team in 2023-24, could completely implode in just one season.
Reverend Mayhem
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Well, I think the key shift for me that I was admittedly a bit naive to is I genuinely think I WAS WRONG* about the Aquilinis motives. I think they've desperately wanted to bring a Cup to Vancouver this whole time. I was dead f***ing wrong about that and that actually makes me so optimistic.
Dolan just genuinely sees his team as a piggybank.
*Sorry, bilingual.
The Logan Thompson trade was also very underrated (and I don't know why VGK cut bait on him as a bonafide starter). And Charlie Lindgren leveled up out of the blue last season from journeyman to very decent 1B goalie.
He was on my draft list
I also wanted Van to trade Hoglander for his older brother when they were rumours of a trade between the two.
krutovsdonut
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washington has blown my mind. never saw this coming.
Multiple things happened for Wash. mcmichael with nearly a PPG so far plus the other kid from rd 3 having monster seasons. Ovy on a goal scoring pace we haven’t seen from him in years at his age is an insane outlier. Good goaltending.
If Pod and Hogs had the impact that Micmichael and Protas have had that greatly changes Van’s outlook.
I thought they drastically improved the roster, especially the defensive core. I didn’t see the offensive explosion happening, though. Goaltending can be a coin flip but I like the bets they made.
If you look at all the prime prospects the Kings had just a couple of years ago and look at what Blake was able to do with them, it’s not good.
Can’t complain too much since they are doing very good this season but the asset evaluation and allocation has been very poor.
Nick Lang
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That trade for Karlsson was just insanely stupid. The last thing that team needed was some hotdog point getter who doesn't play defence or for the team. He doesn't fit their mold. And the price tag/cap hit. They could have some very good support players for the price.
Really smart on Dubois. Grabbed a top level talent for peanuts after a crap year in a subdued environment. Yeah those defence and goaltending moves were master class.
I haven't paid much attention to the Kings but I've liked some of his skills in the past. Didn't realize he was so big. 6'2 210lbs. Doesn't he have a real good shot, or am I thinking about someone else? I didn't think he was that aggressive or great defensively but again I'm not absolutely sure on that lol. I always thought he was dangerous and crafty though when we played the Kings.
I think this is an example of a guy who could succeed in a different system. We are quite defensive but not at all what Kaliyev has been used to with the Kings. I could see why a young guy might struggle in that situation. He was an absolute sniper and point getter in the OHL. 51 goals and 51 assists in 62 games, and 44/54 in 57 his last 2 years. I'd put in a claim but I bet someone else does too.
Yeah, they completely turned that around. I think that's a good lesson in how easy it is to turn around a franchise in the mental state sense. It make take a year or two at times but the owner is usually still financially profitable and the fans will be back in droves if things turn around. A lot of people get real upset about the direction NHL teams take but unlike normal businesses there is a tonne of room for error and team direction can change for the better in an instant. A team can keep around a couple of older players and try to win. If it doesn't work, move to a retool. If that doesn't work try another one, or go full rebuild and suddenly the fans are back on board because the direction and future have changed.
Like look at Nashville. Thought they hit it out of the park
in the offseason but the results have been horrific. What will they do moving forward, can they do an about turn for next season? Trotz seems a little too narrowly focused but in the NHL it's entirely possible they make a couple moves and are back in the playoffs. In the real business world they'd probably dismantling the company as we speak. As a fun it's fun to have something to cheer for even if the chance of success isn't really there. I think it would be nice to half a billion laying around to try my hand a running a team. 
Canucks are going to do this with Hughes and then get retroactively punished for it.
VanillaCoke
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Dang was hoping to acquire Vatrano
Amongst other options in Anaheim for potential trades.
Anaheim and SJ are both on upward trajectories.
Amongst other options in Anaheim for potential trades.
Anaheim and SJ are both on upward trajectories.
I don’t understand. Does Anaheim then get hit with a cap hit in 2035 to 2045?
If so, smart move for Anaheim as they get the benefit of cap inflation.
No, they only get the cap hit for the 3 years
Not sure I agree with this from Vatrano’s perspective due to time value of money, but I assume he’s gotten decent advice from agent/advisor on his perceived value and agrees with this. I would just take the money up front and invest it, but to each their own.
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Capfriendly would have had the contract up already. Nothing on any of the replacement sites.
Simply because the CBA allows it, and you know we’ll try it with Hughes/Boeser and be the first team to be penalized for it.
Frank Vatrano’s 3-year, $18M extension is an interesting one. He will get paid $3M a year in base salary but then $9M in deferred salary. Starting 10 years from now in 2035, will make $900,000 a year for 10 years, and his plan is to live outside of California (and its tax system) at that point in retirement. Ducks, meanwhile, benefit with deferred payments by having $4.57M AAV (instead of $6M AAV) on the deal. Creative way for both the team and player to make it work. And perhaps show other players in future way to stick-handle around California tax issue.
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It's crap honestly. Fine to defer payments but cap hit should be as is.
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It’s not cap circumvention because in theory the value of those future payments is accounted for in the NPV’d AAV.
But, ignoring what is or isn't allowed under the CBA, it doesn’t really make sense to me why deferred payments should get NPV’d for the purpose of calculating the AAV but payments within the life of the contract do not. Teams who have front loaded salary/given huge signing bonuses don’t get an NPV based increase to their AAV so the same should be true for deferred payments.
Lebrun doesn’t actually explain it though.
I read the CBA provisions, and the long and short of it is, if the deferred salary is not payable with interest, then the present value of the deferred salary (to be calculated in accordance with the CBA) counts against the cap. So they still get dinged with a cap hit for the deferred salary.
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