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Despite Jiricek's issues, he's still a massively better prospect than anything they'll get with the assets they gave up, and is pretty much a dead lock to be an NHL player of some sort.

It wasn't the right move for us to be making but it's a very nice value deal for Minnesota.

I agree. This is a very good prospect for the Wild to pick up. This isn't a guy aging out of the prospect system. And there is the real possibility he has been mishandled and will flourish elsewhere.

Good deal by the Wild. And honestly about as good as the Jackets could do given the bad blood between team and player was very public.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Yeah Jiricek isn't in our wheelhouse, I really don't feel like we "missed out" on him. We need someone more established. If PIT keeps tanking, I wouldn't mind Tanger/Karl on the cheap if it worked out. But this guy definitely needs to be able to see the ice upon breakout well and be able to make whatever pass is the best available.

 

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Despite Jiricek's issues, he's still a massively better prospect than anything they'll get with the assets they gave up, and is pretty much a dead lock to be an NHL player of some sort.

It wasn't the right move for us to be making but it's a very nice value deal for Minnesota.

This really depends on how Jiricek develops. If he caps as a 5th D who's not great at evens but can man PP2 or work as part of a 2D setup on PP1 then it's unlikely you could flip him for anything even close to what you paid for him. It's a decent gamble for a team that's stuck in the mushy middle, but not one I'd be overly comfortable making unless my pro scouts were pushing for it.

 

[Nick Lang]

Lost Covid season of 20-21. OHL and levels lower in Ontario didn’t play right? Same across Canada. Not surprised if kids drafted from 2020 onwards need an extra year to catch back up.
2020 drafted was promoted as deep. Not sure we see that depth. Not considered the quality of 2015, but supposedly deep. Going into 3rd year for most as pros.

It seems to me many projections regarding strength of drafts end up being wrong anyway. Most teams are lucky to even get one player out of a draft so it's all about who you pick, how good your scouting is, and of course a good dose of luck.

that's a weird trade that might hurt both teams. underwhelming return for cbj which did not need picks but also that many picks moving may hurt minny more than the value of the individual parts. i get the fact it is spread over multiple drafts but i think ditching so many picks is going to hurt minny's pipeline and trade options.

I think if Minny has done their homework like they appear to have done with Faber this could be an absolute homerun. They gave up a fair bit of draft capital but it's spaced out and they are ramping up to win now and the near future. This is the type of guy that could step in and provide massive value sooner than later. Maybe all he needs is a change of scenery. He certainly has the pedigree, great physical tools, and believes he will succeed.

A chance with a more together franchise could do wonders. Signed until 2026 and will be a 22 year old RFA. I really like this move for Minnesota. Bogosian currently the 3rd line RD at $1.25 mil who is 35 next year and UFA following that. Pretty good timing without the pressure of having to succeed right away.

That is a whole lot of not much for Jiricek.

1st round pick in the 20s and a depth prospect.

Surprised nobody beat that. Great deal for Minnesota.

The 2nd and third rounder as well. The fourth is bordering on useless but still a pick that holds a little value. But yeah nothing great there, however, considering the situation I guess no one was willing to take a massive swing.

 

[StreetHawk]

Spurgeon is under contract until 2027. So Jiricek has this season and 2 more to get to a 2nd pairing Dman in terms of ice time.

See how he develops.

 

[MS]

This really depends on how Jiricek develops. If he caps as a 5th D who's not great at evens but can man PP2 or work as part of a 2D setup on PP1 then it's unlikely you could flip him for anything even close to what you paid for him. It's a decent gamble for a team that's stuck in the mushy middle, but not one I'd be overly comfortable making unless my pro scouts were pushing for it.

You can say this for all the draft picks as well, and all of them are substantially less likely to generate a return on investment than Jiricek is. They traded a bunch of middling-to-crappy futures for one very, very good future asset.

The only issue is the opportunity cost of not having those picks at the deadline, but they have a pretty deep system so they'll be fine for making other moves.

 

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You can say this for all the draft picks as well, and all of them are substantially less likely to generate a return on investment than Jiricek is. They traded a bunch of middling-to-crappy futures for one very, very good future asset.

The only issue is the opportunity cost of not having those picks at the deadline, but they have a pretty deep system so they'll be fine for making other moves.

I was valuing the draft picks as trade capital. The opportunity cost for getting Jiricek could prevent getting a juicier target later and gambling on the upside of a prospect is always riskier than going for a more developed piece. I tend to look for more established players poised to break out in a different circumstance than less developed pieces where you're paying for an upside that might not materialize, it all comes down to what your scouting team is telling you and your own evaluation of their reports.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I was valuing the draft picks as trade capital. The opportunity cost for getting Jiricek could prevent getting a juicier target later and gambling on the upside of a prospect is always riskier than going for a more developed piece. I tend to look for more established players poised to break out in a different circumstance than less developed pieces where you're paying for an upside that might not materialize, it all comes down to what your scouting team is telling you and your own evaluation of their reports.

They don't have the cap space to make any meaningful addition at this deadline anyways, so missing that 2025 1st rounder isn't really going to affect their ability to add. I think they are planning to stand pat mostly this deadline, I don't really see them dumping guys like Foglino/Trenin/Gaudreau that they just signed, so I don't think there is much of an opportunity cost for them.

 

[F A N]

You can say this for all the draft picks as well, and all of them are substantially less likely to generate a return on investment than Jiricek is. They traded a bunch of middling-to-crappy futures for one very, very good future asset.

The only issue is the opportunity cost of not having those picks at the deadline, but they have a pretty deep system so they'll be fine for making other moves.

I was valuing the draft picks as trade capital. The opportunity cost for getting Jiricek could prevent getting a juicier target later and gambling on the upside of a prospect is always riskier than going for a more developed piece. I tend to look for more established players poised to break out in a different circumstance than less developed pieces where you're paying for an upside that might not materialize, it all comes down to what your scouting team is telling you and your own evaluation of their reports.

Everything comes down to what they have in Jiricek. Is he the next Juolevi with is skating issues or will he blossom into a #3 or even first pairing Dman? If Jiricek is anywhere close to being a #3 for a decade + that's a premium asset worth the draft picks Minny traded. If Jiricek is going to more of a disappointing bottom pairing defenseman then CBJ did well.

The odd thing to me is that CBJ initially wanted a 1 for 1 deal and reportedly told us we don't have the prospects to make the deal. Then they switched course (which is fine) and didn't come back to us? Do we not have anything aside from Willander they were interested in? Getting the second best Hunt to play for the Wild is hardly a prize. Like I said, our 2025 1st, as it stands, is more valuable than Wild's.

 

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Everything comes down to what they have in Jiricek. Is he the next Juolevi with is skating issues or will he blossom into a #3 or even first pairing Dman? If Jiricek is anywhere close to being a #3 for a decade + that's a premium asset worth the draft picks Minny traded. If Jiricek is going to more of a disappointing bottom pairing defenseman then CBJ did well.

The odd thing to me is that CBJ initially wanted a 1 for 1 deal and reportedly told us we don't have the prospects to make the deal. Then they switched course (which is fine) and didn't come back to us? Do we not have anything aside from Willander they were interested in? Getting the second best Hunt to play for the Wild is hardly a prize. Like I said, our 2025 1st, as it stands, is more valuable than Wild's.

I wonder if GMs will push harder in some trades and ease up on others? Just to see what shakes lose. It's possible that the Canucks had offered the Jackets what they got back from Minny, but figured accepting nothing but Wilander might actually work. No harm if they know they're getting the same deal if it's turned down, and there's aways a chance you're dealing with a Benning, who's not afraid of overpaying to secure the deal they want.

 

[F A N]

I wonder if GMs will push harder in some trades and ease up on others? Just to see what shakes lose. It's possible that the Canucks had offered the Jackets what they got back from Minny, but figured accepting nothing but Wilander might actually work. No harm if they know they're getting the same deal if it's turned down, and there's aways a chance you're dealing with a Benning, who's not afraid of overpaying to secure the deal they want.

I don't have an answer to that but we've done a deal with Waddell's Hurricanes before (Ethan Bear deal) and before that Kero. Plus Allvin has some history with Waddell dating back to when both were scouts in the Penguins organization.