The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

[BudBundy]

Good thing we didn’t give him the money then.

What???? You’re happy that we gave that money to Jeff Skinner? You’re happy that we lost both Holloway and Broberg for one crappy year of a one-dimensional LW? You’re going to great lengths to polish this turd.

 

[AM]

What???? You’re happy that we gave that money to Jeff Skinner? You’re happy that we lost both Holloway and Broberg for one crappy year of a one-dimensional LW? You’re going to great lengths to polish this turd.

I’m happy they gave the money to somebody who wanted to play here.

 

[TheNumber4]

What???? You’re happy that we gave that money to Jeff Skinner? You’re happy that we lost both Holloway and Broberg for one crappy year of a one-dimensional LW? You’re going to great lengths to polish this turd.

3M doesn’t equal 6.5M though. Holloway Vs Skinner is a valid concern though, with better foresight maybe we see the offersheets coming. But the story on Skinner isn’t over yet, he could still come around.

 

[Da McBomb]

Flames were one of two other teams considering signing then-Oilers Dylan Holloway, Philip Broberg to offer sheets

An interesting summer that saw the St. Louis Blues sign two of the Edm...

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I know we all hate the Blues offer sheets now... but can you imagine if it was the Flames and not the Blues who made the offer sheets? Could you imagine this place if Holloway and Broberg were ripping it up with the Flames?

 

[oilers4life5]

JFC people...move on already. This is getting silly.

I just love when people tell others how to fan. Go away.

 

[BudBundy]

3M doesn’t equal 6.5M though. Holloway Vs Skinner is a valid concern though, with better foresight maybe we see the offersheets coming. But the story on Skinner isn’t over yet, he could still come around.

I have to admit some personal bias. I’ve never liked Skinner. He could turn it around yet. Who the hell knows how he’ll respond to a playoff environment? I hope he does because we’ll need him.

Basically I feel with the $3M we gave Skinner (plus the bit to Perry), we probably could’ve signed Broberg and Holloway, pre-offer sheet. Given how apparently that threat was out there, it galls me.

Ironically at the time I was more concerned that signing Skinner meant no room to I prove the D. The offer sheet was a consequence I didn’t even have in mind at the time, though I thought signing Skinner to play ahead of Holloway would be hard for him to swallow.

 

[TheNumber4]

I have to admit some personal bias. I’ve never liked Skinner. He could turn it around yet. Who the hell knows how he’ll respond to a playoff environment? I hope he does because we’ll need him.

Basically I feel with the $3M we gave Skinner (plus the bit to Perry), we probably could’ve signed Broberg and Holloway, pre-offer sheet. Given how apparently that threat was out there, it galls me.

Ironically at the time I was more concerned that signing Skinner meant no room to I prove the D. The offer sheet was a consequence I didn’t even have in mind at the time.

Yeh really no one knows how Skinner would do on a playoff contender. A gamble was made here. The Oilers didn't even know, as evidenced by the Drop episode. They were like most around here, imagining what Skinner could look like on Drai's wing with his skill and goal scoring ability, and noting that he's never had a chance on a competitive team. I think his skill and goal scoring ability in his career speaks for itself, so I understand why they made the bet. But with all bets, they might not work out.

We also could have went Mcleod instead of Henrique and there's an extra $1M there. Or no Arviddsson and there's $4M for Broberg right there. Let Janmark walk. etc etc.

But really, I think the Oilers were operating under the false assumption that no offer sheet was coming. That's why they went and signed all these guys and thought they could get Broberg/Holloway on bargain RFA deals. We got blindsided. But there's an argument to be made that they shouldn't have been blindsided and should have operated with that offersheet threat in mind.

 

[Mr Positive]

Yeh really no one knows how Skinner would do on a playoff contender. A gamble was made here. The Oilers didn't even know, as evidenced by the Drop episode. They were like most around here, imagining what Skinner could look like on Drai's wing with his skill and goal scoring ability, and noting that he's never had a chance on a competitive team. I think his skill and goal scoring ability in his career speaks for itself, so I understand why they made the bet. But with all bets, they might not work out.

We also could have went Mcleod instead of Henrique and there's an extra $1M there. Or no Arviddsson and there's $4M for Broberg right there. Let Janmark walk. etc etc.

But really, I think the Oilers were operating under the false assumption that no offer sheet was coming. That's why they went and signed all these guys and thought they could get Broberg/Holloway on bargain RFA deals. We got blindsided. But there's an argument to be made that they shouldn't have been blindsided and should have operated with that offersheet threat in mind.

This exactly my criticism of management.

They thought there wasn't much threat of an offer sheet. I suppose they thought that these guys would want to stay on a contender so badly that they'd leave millions of dollars on the table.

Management rightly gets criticized when they get it wrong. Just like how any draft pick could become a bust or be great, so to could any decision or non decision they make. Even if there are other factors at play, they are judged based on results

They should have known offer sheets were a real threat

That means that either they should have followed Jackson's own advise and prioritize youth, or trade them

We could have kept Broberg and Holloway for much less than what St. Louis paid them btw. Maybe 2-2.5 for Broberg and 1.5 for Holloway. That's what the leaked numbers from the agents were like. If we were trading them we could have got the Dman we wanted. Andersson, Provorov, whatever. Broberg had really high value after his great playoff performance. Jackson burned a lot of player value with his screw up

So if competence is measured in the balance of good choices vs bad, these offer sheets are pretty sizeable bad evaluations

Bowman doesn't get the criticism but his boss does

 

[McDNicks17]

This exactly my criticism of management.

They thought there wasn't much threat of an offer sheet. I suppose they thought that these guys would want to stay on a contender so badly that they'd leave millions of dollars on the table.

Management rightly gets criticized when they get it wrong. Just like how any draft pick could become a bust or be great, so to could any decision or non decision they make. Even if there are other factors at play, they are judged based on results

They should have known offer sheets were a real threat

That means that either they should have followed Jackson's own advise and prioritize youth, or trade them

We could have kept Broberg and Holloway for much less than what St. Louis paid them btw. Maybe 2-2.5 for Broberg and 1.5 for Holloway. That's what the leaked numbers from the agents were like. If we were trading them we could have got the Dman we wanted. Andersson, Provorov, whatever. Broberg had really high value after his great playoff performance. Jackson burned a lot of player value with his screw up

So if competence is measured in the balance of good choices vs bad, these offer sheets are pretty sizeable bad evaluations

Bowman doesn't get the criticism but his boss does

This isn't necessarily true.

They could have known about the offer sheet for months, but if other teams did too(and they would 100% talk to Broberg and his agent before a trade), what would they do with that information?

You can't sign him. He's got a $4.6M contract he'll take instead. You can't trade him. No team is going to trade for a guy that they know has no interest in signing anything that isn't a $4.6M deal. What do you do?

There's never been any indication that Bowman was surprised by the offer sheets.