Around the League Thread | Drive to the Playoffs

[StreetHawk]

I didn't have a car when I lived there, but now I hate driving there any time I'm back. I was there the day after the last Taylor Swift concert and it took me like an hour and a half to move maybe four blocks after getting off the highway.

This country is so gigantic and yet so many people (both internal migrants and external immigrants) insist on going to that one little corner. It's insane. You now have a U.S.-style network of suburbs that don't even need to be near Toronto (people live, work and socialize entirely in bedroom communities) and yet there it all is crammed in that one corner, ensuring huge wastes of time and fuel for millions of people. I'm so glad I left.

Country looks huge on a paper map, but there are parts of the country where people really can't/don't live. Not much different than the Midwest of the USA. Can go straight down from the borders of SK to MB to the Mexico and the % of people living in that part of the usa is small.

 

[Breakers]

I didn't have a car when I lived there, but now I hate driving there any time I'm back. I was there the day after the last Taylor Swift concert and it took me like an hour and a half to move maybe four blocks after getting off the highway.

This country is so gigantic and yet so many people (both internal migrants and external immigrants) insist on going to that one little corner. It's insane. You now have a U.S.-style network of suburbs that don't even need to be near Toronto (people live, work and socialize entirely in bedroom communities) and yet there it all is crammed in that one corner, ensuring huge wastes of time and fuel for millions of people. I'm so glad I left.

I think it is the 3rd or 4th biggest city in North America

Funny enough
Tanev was asked about his upper body injury on TSN
And they mcmasters asked him won’t be able to drive (as he was in a sling)

Tanev just responded “I didn’t drive before this injury in this city”

 

[Bobby9]

Just heard a ‘they’re a real good team over there’ live. I am blessed.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

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Just heard a ‘they’re a real good team over there’ live. I am blessed.

My condolences to your left foot.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Sens look exactly like you'd expect a travis team to look, they're gonna blow it and have a potentially rough offseason upcoming

 

[ManVanFan]

Sens look exactly like you'd expect a travis team to look, they're gonna blow it and have a potentially rough offseason upcoming

Winnipeg is a very good team this year.

 

[Jyrki21]

Country looks huge on a paper map, but there are parts of the country where people really can't/don't live. Not much different than the Midwest of the USA. Can go straight down from the borders of SK to MB to the Mexico and the % of people living in that part of the usa is small.

Ya, we’re not talking about settling the Yukon or northern Manitoba in large numbers. There are loads of small-to-medium sized cities across the southern portion of the country. Imagine if even a fraction of those people needlessly crammed into the GTA had settled in, I dunno, Sarnia, ON or Saint John, NB instead. You could have had another important urban center while alleviating a ton of the traffic and housing issues that Toronto has. (None of those bedroom communities that the GTA sprawls through are there for geo-economic reasons – they grew across a barren wasteland just because they are close to Toronto).

The US has many of these absurdities too with New York and Los Angeles, but the national population isn’t nearly as concentrated there as compared to the GTA.

 

[Coffee]

Only on the Avs broadcast do you hear words like "danglelicious"

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Ya, we’re not talking about settling the Yukon or northern Manitoba in large numbers. There are loads of small-to-medium sized cities across the southern portion of the country. Imagine if even a fraction of those people needlessly crammed into the GTA had settled in, I dunno, Sarnia, ON or Saint John, NB instead. You could have had another important urban center while alleviating a ton of the traffic and housing issues that Toronto has. (None of those bedroom communities that the GTA sprawls through are there for geo-economic reasons – they grew across a barren wasteland just because they are close to Toronto).

The US has many of these absurdities too with New York and Los Angeles, but the national population isn’t nearly as concentrated there as compared to the GTA.

That sounds good in theory but most of the high paying office jobs are still located at or near the downtown areas of major cities.

There was a time during Covid that people are able to expand outwards due to being allowed to WFH, but with the (illogical) strong push to get everybody in the office, and a large increase to population in the country, you get insane traffic during rush hours at these major cities. I think there are lots of appetites for employees to move away from downtowns, but until there is a change in employers' mindset (not happening), a significant portion of people are forced to live and/or commute to the city centers daily.

 

[rockymtnoyster]

 

[StreetHawk]

That sounds good in theory but most of the high paying office jobs are still located at or near the downtown areas of major cities.

There was a time during Covid that people are able to expand outwards due to being allowed to WFH, but with the (illogical) strong push to get everybody in the office, and a large increase to population in the country, you get insane traffic during rush hours at these major cities. I think there are lots of appetites for employees to move away from downtowns, but until there is a change in employers' mindset (not happening), a significant portion of people are forced to live and/or commute to the city centers daily.

Employment opportunities along with infrastructure like roads, public transportation and services like Hospitals, schools, doctors, community centers, etc. are factors for people to moving 90 minutes or more out of the city center.

WFH was supposed to encourage this, but like you mentioned, some of these conglomerates want people back in the office. Which decreases the desire of people to move further out as they don't want to do an hour plus each way for their daily commute.

 

[Nuckles]

Aww won't someone think of the poor shitbag who openly supports a political leader that wants to annex our country and is constantly threatening to impose tariffs

 

[Jyrki]

Aww won't something think of the poor shitbag who openly supports a political leader that wants to annex our country and is constantly threatening to impose tariffs

What's next, is Gretzky gonna get Messier or McSorley to put out statements too? Why is he incapable of speaking for himself and letting others take the heat instead?

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Aww won't something think of the poor shitbag who openly supports a political leader that wants to annex our country and is constantly threatening to impose tariffs

It has nothing to do with political believe, it has everything to do with his home country being threatened (by annexation) and attacked (with tariffs), and all the while as a Canadian he is not distancing himself from the aggressor. And no they are not "just people like you growing up in Canada" because any people growing up in Canada would be offended and furious of the attack from our neighbor and ally. You would have to be pretty un-patriotic to see your home country under attack and still cozy up with the one leading the attack.

The fact that Orr and Gretzky "don't get it" is quite alarming to me. I'm not saying they have to go out there and blast the president, but constantly be within Trump's orbit right now and not overtly supporting your country is definitely not a good look.

I can go on and on but this isn't a political forum so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Aww won't something think of the poor shitbag who openly supports a political leader that wants to annex our country and is constantly threatening to impose tariffs

Let's keep the Political discourse limited, but I'll just say this -

"He would do anything to make Canadians Proud"?

Seems like there's some very easy things he could do in the current climate. He'd just have to speak up and defend his country.

 

[Nuckles]

It should also be worth noting that Bobby Orr took out a full page newspaper ad supporting Trump's re-election in 2020

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/united-states-election-endorsement-bobby-orr-donald-trump-1.5783723

^ Link that's hard to see in dark mode ^

 

[Hodgy]

The funny thing is that Gretzky could undo most of the damage he has done to his reputation in Canada by issuing a fluff PR statement where he just says that as a proud Canadian he doesn't support Trump's annexation comments or tariff proposals. He won't undo all the damage that he has created, but it would go far.

Like, people didn't love his affiliation with Trump pre-annexation/tariff comments, but it wasn't that big of a deal nor discussed much in Canada.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

The funny thing is that Gretzky could undo most of the damage he has done to his reputation in Canada by issuing a fluff PR statement where he just says that as a proud Canadian he doesn't support Trump's annexation comments or tariff proposals. He won't undo all the damage that he has created, but it would go far.

Like, people didn't love his affiliation with Trump pre-annexation/tariff comments, but it wasn't that big of a deal nor discussed much in Canada.

You wonder about "Canadians" like Gretzky and Orr, they must REALLY align with Trump if they watch what's going on right now and think "yea I don't need to stand up for my home country."

They have all the money, fame, privilege, etc that they can ever want, so it isn't like they rely on Trump for anything. I also can't see them being scared of him either, so what is going on? Is Wayne scared that Janet will be mad if he say anything negative about the States? Is he worried about his standing within his millionaire club would be in jeopardy if he is critical of the president? Lose access to some exclusive golf memberships maybe? His children's future within the states? Like I really can't think of any other reason a patriot would stand by and watch this and acted the way he did, I really can't.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

You wonder about "Canadians" like Gretzky and Orr, they must REALLY align with Trump if they watch what's going on right now and think "yea I don't need to stand up for my home country."

They have all the money, fame, privilege, etc that they can ever want, so it isn't like they rely on Trump for anything. I also can't see them being scared of him either, so what is going on? Is Wayne scared that Janet will be mad if he say anything negative about the States? Is he worried about his standing within his millionaire club would be in jeopardy if he is critical of the president? Lose access to some exclusive golf memberships maybe? His children's future within the states? Like I really can't think of any other reason a patriot would stand by and watch this and acted the way he did, I really can't.

At the end of the day it can be said that most geriatric millionaires and rich moguls could give two craps about our national sovereignty, especially as they potentially stand to gain off the turmoil.

Gretzky and Orr may be stupid, but they also know what they are doing by remaining silent.

 

[Jyrki21]

That sounds good in theory but most of the high paying office jobs are still located at or near the downtown areas of major cities.

There was a time during Covid that people are able to expand outwards due to being allowed to WFH, but with the (illogical) strong push to get everybody in the office, and a large increase to population in the country, you get insane traffic during rush hours at these major cities. I think there are lots of appetites for employees to move away from downtowns, but until there is a change in employers' mindset (not happening), a significant portion of people are forced to live and/or commute to the city centers daily.

What I'm critical is of how many of the resources are concentrated in just one, single downtown, not the fact that the entire population isn't spread out evenly across the country. It is a classic "tragedy of the commons" collective action problem (because it is that very importance of the GTA that drives even more people to go there), so I'm not saying it'd have been easy to deal with, but I do wish there were stronger tax incentives not to make the problem worse.

 

[racerjoe]

That sounds good in theory but most of the high paying office jobs are still located at or near the downtown areas of major cities.

There was a time during Covid that people are able to expand outwards due to being allowed to WFH, but with the (illogical) strong push to get everybody in the office, and a large increase to population in the country, you get insane traffic during rush hours at these major cities. I think there are lots of appetites for employees to move away from downtowns, but until there is a change in employers' mindset (not happening), a significant portion of people are forced to live and/or commute to the city centers daily.

Governments want people to go back into work to help some business that use to get the business from people being in down town hubs. This is than passed on via tax and goods sold there and so on.

 

[ghostingtaro]

ovie is going to do it, he wants to break gretzkys record

greatest goal scorer in history

 

[Jyrki]

What I'm critical is of how many of the resources are concentrated in just one, single downtown, not the fact that the entire population isn't spread out evenly across the country. It is a classic "tragedy of the commons" collective action problem (because it is that very importance of the GTA that drives even more people to go there), so I'm not saying it'd have been easy to deal with, but I do wish there were stronger tax incentives not to make the problem worse.

When I started going to public consultations in Richmond I quickly understood why most things are concentrated in the core... most suburban municipalities just don't want to be anything other than bedroom communities.

Same city that gimped Canada Line capacity due to "noise" concerns, literally paid the feds dozens of millions of dollars so that the Musqueam wouldn't turn an empty plot into a mixed-used community, every non-market housing proposal gets met with a minimum of a few dozens of busybodies protesting against it... f*** they even protested against a 4-storey senior rental building because of sightlines and parking.

Wish the province (either party) would actually slap down municipalities for once and force them to be bigger hubs for services and commerce, so that we don't keep funneling everything into the CoV.