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Getzlaf my lawn said:
I believer the PA will do it on his behalf.
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I wish it were possible for them to appeal then have the suspension doubled to a full season. That scum has no place in the nhl. Honestly I don't see the PA fighting this as it just protects the rest of the player card from him.
 
i'm with the others, they should have given Torres an entire year. he won't change, he will never change.

if he never gets back to the NHL and goes to the AHL though...... imagine the destruction he could do in a lower tier league where guys aren't as fast, strong, agile, etc

they need to get this guy out of hockey before he kills someone, or paralyzes them at best
 
Reclamation Project said:
He won't be out all 41 games either.
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This was my first thought, that it gets appealed down to like 20-25 or some ****.

Should have suspended him the whole season and pleaded it down to half at least. Still would have been upset but better message there. 4 suspensions, 3 fines, 2 warnings. This is his tenth discipline incident, most of which were similar, and THAT is IT? Garbage message.
 
I was thinking maybe 20 games, but 41 is fair I suppose, seeing that he's a repeat offender. The guy's a good hockey player. I just wished he'd play more under control and responsibly out on the ice.
 
The crazy thing is that on some of those hits all he makes contact with is the head. He "misses" the actual body of a body check. Friggin' headhunter.
 
Brad Doty said:
This was my first thought, that it gets appealed down to like 20-25 or some ****.

Should have suspended him the whole season and pleaded it down to half at least. Still would have been upset but better message there. 4 suspensions, 3 fines, 2 warnings. This is his tenth discipline incident, most of which were similar, and THAT is IT? Garbage message.
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After the suspension is over SJ should just waive him and be done with him.
 
As happy as I am to see RT gone for that long, I think the length is total crap. The hit wasn't late, it wasn't an elbow -- just the shoulder, he didn't leave his feet and Silfverberg just stood there admiring his pass. Almost anybody else wouldn't have gotten anything for that.
 
HookKing said:
As happy as I am to see RT gone for that long, I think the length is total crap. The hit wasn't late, it wasn't an elbow -- just the shoulder, he didn't leave his feet and Silfverberg just stood there admiring his pass. Almost anybody else wouldn't have gotten anything for that.
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He came in from center ice and made a b-line for Silverberg. The only contact he made was with Silverbergs head. And no Silverberg was not admiring his pass. Look at it again http://gfycat.com/RipeGoodGopher
 
HookKing said:
As happy as I am to see RT gone for that long, I think the length is total crap. The hit wasn't late, it wasn't an elbow -- just the shoulder, he didn't leave his feet and Silfverberg just stood there admiring his pass. Almost anybody else wouldn't have gotten anything for that.
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this is his TENTH incident of discipline and the majority of them play out exactly like that--his hitting form just sucks. Instead of driving through the chest, he keeps going at opponents rear-of-shoulder and explodes up through the dome. I mean, I could write a script for every one of them--start 40 or so feet away, lock on to an opponent (nothing wrong so far), charge up to high speed (starts being a 2 min), opponent moves puck followed within a second by Raffi hitting from the back up through the head. I know what you mean in a way--that players should protect themselves--but he's predatory and can't help himself, and he's not part of the normal flow of play in which a player should know he's there, he keeps leaving a 'normal' position to charge someone from the dark side. It's a cheap play even if it DOESN'T hurt someone.

It's a pattern, not a one-off--yes, that's why he gets looked at harder than others would here and I don't understand why that's controversial at all.
 
Winger23 said:
I wish it were possible for them to appeal then have the suspension doubled to a full season. That scum has no place in the nhl. Honestly I don't see the PA fighting this as it just protects the rest of the player card from him.
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It is actually possible. This will go to an appeal to the commissioner and he has discretion to rule. But he likely won't do it because it can be appealed as well. And an arbitrator will likely reduce the time in turn making the commissioner and league look weaker. So he is likely to just uphold the ruling. But here's the text for those wanting to read.
18.12 Appeal to Commissioner.
The NHLPA, on the Player's behalf, may file an appeal to the
Commissioner of any decision regarding Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct imposed
by the League. The appeal shall be filed in writing no later than forty-eight (48) hours after the
League's notification to the NHLPA of its determination. If the term of the suspension is
ongoing, the Player shall remain suspended pending the appeal (but not longer than the duration
contained in the initial decision). The Commissioner shall endeavor to hear all appeals on an
expedited basis and will determine whether the decision was supported by clear and convincing
evidence. In the event the League's underlying decision results in a suspension of five (5) NHL
Games or less, the Commissioner shall determine in his sole discretion whether any type of
hearing is required related to such review, and if he determines such a hearing is required,
whether to hold a telephonic or in-person hearing. In the event the League's underlying decision
results in a suspension of six (6) NHL Games or more, the Commissioner shall conduct an in-
person hearing. The Commissioner shall have the authority to consider any evidence relating to
the incident even if such evidence was not available at the time of the initial Supplementary
Discipline for On-Ice Conduct decision. Except in cases involving a suspension of six (6) or
more NHL Games which shall be subject to an appeal pursuant to Section 18.13 below, the
decision of the Commissioner in an appeal shall be final and binding in all respects and not
subject to review. For purposes of Section 18.13 below, the Commissioner's decision shall
represent the complete and final decision of the League regarding whether the Player's conduct
violated League Playing Rules, as well as the length of the suspension imposed on the Player.
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So the commissioner is going to make the ruling giving the leagues final stance on it before it goes to an impartial arbitrator to decide where it actually goes.
 
HookKing said:
He's standing there with his head down looking at the puck. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
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That's a 6'1" dude standing straight up when he gets a shoulder to the chin. I don't see how any of that excuses the hit, admiring his pass or not. Look how much normal traffic and 'flow' is going on around him before Torres penetrates it with a 40 foot charge to the head.
 
HookKing said:
He's standing there with his head down looking at the puck. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
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I think you're overthinking it. It's simple. Torres made contact with his shoulder to another players head. You can't make contact to others' head, intentional or not.
 
HookKing said:
He's standing there with his head down looking at the puck. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
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If you can't see that the guy is a piece of **** that targets the head and has been suspended 10 times I don't know what to tell you. This guy gets ZERO benefit of the doubt. Someone needs to kick his ****ing ass.
 
HookKing said:
He's standing there with his head down looking at the puck. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
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The video released by the NHL detailing the hit and its illegality is pretty damning. There were multiple infractions on this hit alone.
 
Reclamation Project said:
If you can't see that the guy is a piece of **** that targets the head and has been suspended 10 times I don't know what to tell you. This guy gets ZERO benefit of the doubt. Someone needs to kick his ****ing ass.
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Just one thing he hasn't been suspended 10 times. He has been warned, fined, and suspended 10 times. But other than that little thing it's spot on.
 
HookKing said:
He's standing there with his head down looking at the puck. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
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No, he's looking for the puck because a Sharks player redirects it off his stick as he goes to pass it. As he finally see's the puck, he looks up as Torres clocks him. That is not hard to see.
 
Brad Doty said:
That's a 6'1" dude standing straight up when he gets a shoulder to the chin. I don't see how any of that excuses the hit, admiring his pass or not. Look how much normal traffic and 'flow' is going on around him before Torres penetrates it with a 40 foot charge to the head.
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He is not standing straight up! Look how bent his knees are. RT's lead skate never leaves the ice, he is 6'0.

I also have a problem with selective enforcement and the authorities sending "messages".
 
HookKing said:
He is not standing straight up! Look how bent his knees are. RT's lead skate never leaves the ice, he is 6'0.

I also have a problem with selective enforcement and the authorities sending "messages".
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Where selective enforcement can be an issue. I would choose a different hill to try and stand on for that case.
This is a 10 time warning, fined, and suspended player. Those are just things that were bad enough to go as far as player safety.
 
HookKing said:
He is not standing straight up! Look how bent his knees are. RT's lead skate never leaves the ice, he is 6'0.

I also have a problem with selective enforcement and the authorities sending "messages".
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Even if I conceded those two points, the video raises what, four more? Not gonna argue over this, it's a dirty hit by a multiple-time repeat offender for myriad reasons. This isn't just some 'old school hockey, keep your head up' stuff.
 
HookKing said:
He's standing there with his head down looking at the puck. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
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If you can't see the direct content with the head I don't know what to tell you. There are things that are debatable for sure. This isn't one of them.
 
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