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Woodcroft atleast knew that he Oilers were a pure run and gun team and structured them around that.

You're not gonna make Draisaitl play defense at this point in his career. He's way more obsessed with padding his numbers.
 
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Skinner let's in 5
4 of were all defensive break downs
I stoppable shot
The defensive coverage sucks
 
Lemontree said:
I meant, list all assets that Dubas has acquired that is currently with the Leafs organization. Amirov is not part of the discussion, what happened to him is an absolute tragedy and speaking about him in hockey terms seems disrespectful to his life.

Dubas was the GM for 5 years, if you can't come up with a list of assets that is currently in the organization than you are proving my point.
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The problem you face is you provide zero context to your point.

Go look at all teams that have made the playoffs for the past 5 years, not rebuilding but thought they had a chance to win and see if Dubas was below, average, or better than said teams.

Every team that is going for the cup gives away more assets than they bring in. The turnover rate in the NHl is huge for every team in a 5 year span.

Tampa gave up six alone last year for one player.
 
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Dubas really shit the bed when we left Jared McCann exposed in the expansion draft
McCann 5 mil
We kept kerfoot or Holl
He plays center as well
What are we looking for now centers
Good forward thinking
 
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Voodoo Child said:
I just watched the cap of Edmonton Carolina.

First goal: pinball.

Second goal: stupid drop pass by Ekholm, 2 on 1 with Skinner swimming like September Sammy, the only person who did something right was Bouchard but he just got sauced and 97 was on the ice but not in the frame.

Third goal: some truly excellent deep play leads to a turnover, our boy Ceci at the root of it.

Fourth goal: this one was bad, rush and a shot from the dot with both of them on.

Fif goal: both on the ice but you can see how collectively the team just leaves guys open. Necas and Svechnikov could have done a 500 piece puzzle with the time they had.

Shit goaltending? Yeah. No accountability from the big guys, okay yeah but…

It’s systemic, and awesome, we don’t play them til like January.
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Their D is slower than the Leafs‘ D
 
horner said:
Dubas really shit the bed when we left Jared McCann exposed in the expansion draft
McCann 5 mil
We kept kerfoot or Holl
He plays center as well
What are we looking for now centers
Good forward thinking
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It was a bad move but at the time he had played 7 years, never had a season with more than 35 points and had been traded 4 times.

He would never put the same point totals up in Toronto as he would have been stuck on the 3rd line, and on the 2nd PP unit.
 
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horner said:
Dubas really shit the bed when we left Jared McCann exposed in the expansion draft
McCann 5 mil
We kept kerfoot or Holl
He plays center as well
What are we looking for now centers
Good forward thinking
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No he didn't. He doesn't play C well, and he was only going to be with the Leafs for 1 season as he was a UFA ro be. Holl wasn't, and now oddly the D is a disaster without Holl.

Do you think McCann would have been getting top line minutes here? Top PP Minutes? No.

McCann is a swing and a miss for all who bring it up.

I mean, only ones who ever bring up McCann are on this board. And of those, it's only who had a bizarre, unnatural hate for the prior GM who think it is any sort of issue that they feel the need to bring it up years later.

Absolutely bizarre.
 
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Jimmy Firecracker said:


Oilers have gone from a team that was a bit unlucky to a team that’s just plain bad since firing Woodcroft. Not his fault the goalies Holland stuck him with are complete sieves.
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I can't say that I know him too well but Woodcroft seems like that should be hired by a team ASAP. I was thinking the Sens might have lucked out... but they insist on keeping DJ Smith.
 
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Jojalu said:
The problem you face is you provide zero context to your point.

Go look at all teams that have made the playoffs for the past 5 years, not rebuilding but thought they had a chance to win and see if Dubas was below, average, or better than said teams.

Every team that is going for the cup gives away more assets than they bring in. The turnover rate in the NHl is huge for every team in a 5 year span.

Tampa gave up six alone last year for one player.
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Go ahead, find another example of a team trading away 1st and 2nd round picks since 2018 and list what those assets were traded for and if what assets remain within the organization, don't forget about the 2025 1st round pick, the 2024, 2025, 2026 2nd round picks that are already gone.

"You don't provide context". The context is that Dubas spent draft picks recklessly for mostly rental only players who provided little to no value and the team failed in the 1st round of every playoffs except last year when they finally got to the 2nd round.

People who defend his strategy of constantly trading top end picks for rentals have to at least acknowledge that he failed in identifying the proper rentals to acquire and/or failed in building the team each off-season that required band aid fixes at the trade deadline.

If Dubas trade strategy was correct, his roster construction was solid, his ability to evaluate talent was so good.....how the hell did the team produce the pathetic playoff results while he was the GM?
 
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Could be a real contender for the Canada 2026 job. Theodore and Pietrangelo will most likely be on Team Canada's, that familiarity would be good.
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Maybe he is finally figuring it out, but he's been a bum who barely started nor could stay healthy.

I don't know if it's a testament to Hill or Canada's severe lack of quality goaltending that he may be a candidate to be Team Canada's starter in a few years times. I'll go with the latter.
 
Lemontree said:
People who defend his strategy of constantly trading top end picks for rentals have to at least acknowledge that he failed in identifying the proper rentals to acquire and/or failed in building the team each off-season that required band aid fixes at the trade deadline.

If Dubas trade strategy was correct, his roster construction was solid, his ability to evaluate talent was so good.....how the hell did the team produce the pathetic playoff results while he was the GM?
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My personal opinion of Dubas is he was OK. Some good, some bad. I think he was a better GM when he left than when he started and for that reason would have been fine keeping him around.

But here's the thing. We were "contenders" so the rentals make sense, and in my opinion he did pretty well at the deadline and built cup contender teams on paper. So the next question is "why the pathetic playoff results?" and the answer to that one is simple - Matthews and Marner. Everything else is just noise. We are a team built around star power and our star power doesn't deliver in the playoffs.

Tampa doesn't win anything if Point/Kucherov don't go 1.4ppg in the playoffs, Avs aren't Champs without Mac and Rantanen stepping up. The only series we've won is the only series Matthews and Marner produced in, we won't win anything else until they deliver.

Just speculation on my part based on what we heard after Dubas left and Treliving not doing anything but fixing that issue looks like something that Dubas (and now Treliving) didn't have the authority to do.
 
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VanW27 said:
My personal opinion of Dubas is he was OK. Some good, some bad. I think he was a better GM when he left than when he started and for that reason would have been fine keeping him around.

But here's the thing. We were "contenders" so the rentals make sense, and in my opinion he did pretty well at the deadline and built cup contender teams on paper. So the next question is "why the pathetic playoff results?" and the answer to that one is simple - Matthews and Marner. Everything else is just noise. We are a team built around star power and our star power doesn't deliver in the playoffs.

Tampa doesn't win anything if Point/Kucherov don't go 1.4ppg in the playoffs, Avs aren't Champs without Mac and Rantanen stepping up. The only series we've won is the only series Matthews and Marner produced in, we won't win anything else until they deliver.

Just speculation on my part based on what we heard after Dubas left and Treliving not doing anything but fixing that issue looks like something that Dubas (and now Treliving) didn't have the authority to do.
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Yeah and my question has always been, why are you spending these assets when your core guys (the guys you NEED to play well in the playoffs to win) have never shown you that they have the ability to win in the playoffs. We spent assets for years when time and time again Matthews and Marner showed that they come up short when the times get tough. I don't understand throwing assets to improve the team when your main guys that you need to win havent shown that they can do it yet.

Sure they can develop that killer instinct, but I don't understand going all in until you see that they've developed it.

Youre not making it to the cup finals off the backs of a 3C, you make it to the cup finals off of your best players.
 
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Peasy said:
Yeah and my question has always been, why are you spending these assets when your core guys (the guys you NEED to play well in the playoffs to win) have never shown you that they have the ability to win in the playoffs. We spent assets for years when time and time again Matthews and Marner showed that they come up short when the times get tough. I don't understand throwing assets to improve the team when your main guys that you need to win havent shown that they can do it yet.

Sure they can develop that killer instinct, but I don't understand going all in until you see that they've developed it.

Youre not making it to the cup finals off the backs of a 3C, you make it to the cup finals off of your best players.
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Perfectly fair question and exactly the approach we should have taken, but when the FO is committed to them then as GM your role is to give them the best chance at succeeding.

So for me I think, it was a decision that was likely made above Dubas, and it was his job to execute it.
 
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Peasy said:
Yeah and my question has always been, why are you spending these assets when your core guys (the guys you NEED to play well in the playoffs to win) have never shown you that they have the ability to win in the playoffs. We spent assets for years when time and time again Matthews and Marner showed that they come up short when the times get tough. I don't understand throwing assets to improve the team when your main guys that you need to win havent shown that they can do it yet.

Sure they can develop that killer instinct, but I don't understand going all in until you see that they've developed it.

Youre not making it to the cup finals off the backs of a 3C, you make it to the cup finals off of your best players.
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Paid them because they claimed to be great, mortgaged the future to help them and they still could not get it done. Now let's rinse and repeat. Paid Matty $13.25x4. Willie holding strong at $10.5+m and Mitch waiting for his turn. No wonder other fan bases laugh at us. Management are a joke and 56 years without a cup is strong proof.

The only thing this franchise has is a loyal, passionate fanbase which is a curse in itself. Rant over. LOL.
 
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Peasy said:
Yeah and my question has always been, why are you spending these assets when your core guys (the guys you NEED to play well in the playoffs to win) have never shown you that they have the ability to win in the playoffs. We spent assets for years when time and time again Matthews and Marner showed that they come up short when the times get tough. I don't understand throwing assets to improve the team when your main guys that you need to win havent shown that they can do it yet.

Sure they can develop that killer instinct, but I don't understand going all in until you see that they've developed it.

Youre not making it to the cup finals off the backs of a 3C, you make it to the cup finals off of your best players.
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Can't win = don't try?

Nooooo thank you.

they can't win....until they do. Now the problem with your way it's guaranteed never to win because they have to prove they have to win before you give them help to win???

Thankfully the Leafs aren't that dumb
 
kb said:
Can't win = don't try?

Nooooo thank you.

they can't win....until they do. Now the problem with your way it's guaranteed never to win because they have to prove they have to win before you give them help to win???

Thankfully the Leafs aren't that dumb
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How did you read my entire post and come to this conclusion lmao.

I'm talking about having our core show that they can win a round or two in the playoffs before blowing assets to "contend"

Yeah thankfully the Leafs aren't that dumb, theyve been killing it the past 6 years! So much success. Shouldnt change a single thing that theyve been doing.

How did Florida make it to the finals last year without making a single deadline move? The way people talk around here make it seems like thats literally impossible to do. You MUST get deadline additions or else why even participate in the playoffs? The hilarious thing is, the year before they blew a bunch of assets and got smoked in round 2 just like the leafs.
 
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Peasy said:
How did you read my entire post and come to this conclusion lmao.

I'm talking about having our core show that they can win a round or two in the playoffs before blowing assets to "contend"

Yeah thankfully the Leafs aren't that dumb, theyve been killing it the past 6 years! So much success. Shouldnt change a single thing that theyve been doing.

How did Florida make it to the finals last year without making a single deadline move? The way people talk around here make it seems like thats literally impossible to do. You MUST get deadline additions or else why even participate in the playoffs? The hilarious thing is, the year before they blew a bunch of assets and got smoked in round 2 just like the leafs.
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I hear your point, but c'mon. This is hardly a Leaf thing. Most teams do indeed move moves at the deadline. Fla is the exception. Take a quick look at assets in/out every year for the past 5-8 years for teams that believed they had a shot.
 
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