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Around the League - PLAYOFFS!?
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Weird seeing stars playing coming through for other teams
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
George Steinbrenner called Reggie Jackson Mr. October and Dave Winfield Mr. May. One dominated the playoffs while one dominated the beginning of the regular season. I'll let you guess what he would call the Mitch and Matty.
Imagine Hyman winning the Smythe.
It’s the Leafiest possible outcome so you know that’s what will happen.
I think it would go to Draisaitl before him.
It’s the Leafiest possible outcome so you know that’s what will happen.
I think it would go to Draisaitl before him.
Bomber0104
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I mean is it actually though?
Happens every year, the best play like the best and the Leafs' best completely shit the bed.
Oh and there's always a good chance of a Leafs castoff rubbing it in Dubas' face....this year it's Hyman.
Can't forget about that storyline
DarkKnight
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Is it revisionism if you argued we’d regret losing Hyman when we did? To me he was the casualty of Dubas over paying the RFA’s, shave a little off those contracts, suddenly you can keep a heart and soul Hyman.
Bomber0104
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Its not revisionist history, if you were one of those screaming for Dubas to be fired, and argued and took the position at the time that Hyman should be re-signed,
That just makes one look brilliant in hindsight and Leafs actual GM clueless.
But you're not wrong that giving a player like Marner his UFA rate (2nd contract) for his RFA years played a big part as Dubas badly overspent on the core 4. That example is made easily when you just take Braydon Point and Mitch Marner's 2nd contracts as comparison coming off similar contract year seasons.
Tampa Bay GM signed Brayden Point to a 3 year bridge deal coming off a 41 goal 92 point season to a 3 year $6.75 mil contract.
While a clueless Dubas gave Marner a 6 year ( 4 of which was RFA years) a contract at $10.9 mil AAV. That was a $4.15 mil of Hyman's $5 mil potential re-signing right there.,
Not only did that cost the Leafs a key player like Hyman it also cost the Leafs in terms of Cup competitiveness as Point (much like Hyman is doing now) would lead the playoffs in scoring with 14 goals in 2020 and 2021 on the way to 2 X Stanley Cups for the Lightning, While Point produced 30 goals 31 assists for 61 points on that contract. Marner can't match those totals his entire career.
Leafs Nation sure is feeling the impact of a past incompetent GM and doing it so as we Leaf Nation are forced to live vicariously through his mistakes watching Hyman tear up NHL playoff scoring with 12 goals in 13 playoff games leading Oilers deep into the playoffs.
Evilhomer
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If Edmonton were to win the Cup, I think the MVP voting wouldn't even be close. It would be Draisaitl in a landslide.
Fogelhund
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Its not revisionist history, if you were one of those screaming for Dubas to be fired, and argued and took the position at the time that Hyman should be re-signed,
That just makes one look brilliant in hindsight and Leafs actual GM clueless.
But you're not wrong that giving a player like Marner his UFA rate (2nd contract) for his RFA years played a big part as Dubas badly overspent on the core 4. That example is made easily when you just take Braydon Point and Mitch Marner's 2nd contracts as comparison coming off similar contract year seasons.
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Tampa Bay GM signed Brayden Point to a 3 year bridge deal coming off a 41 goal 92 point season to a 3 year $6.75 mil contract.
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While a clueless Dubas gave Marner a 6 year ( 4 of which was RFA years) a contract at $10.9 mil AAV. That was a $4.15 mil of Hyman's $5 mil potential re-signing right there.,
Not only did that cost the Leafs a key player like Hyman it also cost the Leafs in terms of Cup competitiveness as Point (much like Hyman is doing now) would lead the playoffs in scoring with 14 goals in 2020 and 2021 on the way to 2 X Stanley Cups for the Lightning, While Point produced 30 goals 31 assists for 61 points on that contract. Marner can't match those totals his entire career.
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Leafs Nation sure is feeling the impact of a past incompetent GM and doing it so as we Leaf Nation are forced to live vicariously through his mistakes watching Hyman tear up NHL playoff scoring with 12 goals in 13 playoff games leading Oilers deep into the playoffs.
Point signed that contract, as he wanted to stay with Tampa, and that's all the cap space they had left. I agree Marner was overpaid, but Point was also drastically underpaid due to nothing more to give him. Point's next contract of $9.5 million, is probably where both of them should have been.
BertCorbeau
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The cap hit wasn’t the concern with Hyman, IIRC, it was the term.
And it was lauded as a risky contract at the time. Hyman’s work ethic and ability to grind were well noted but nobody could have predicted this large jump in offensive production with the Oilers, which is a large byproduct of playing with McDavid and their system.
And it was lauded as a risky contract at the time. Hyman’s work ethic and ability to grind were well noted but nobody could have predicted this large jump in offensive production with the Oilers, which is a large byproduct of playing with McDavid and their system.
TMLBlueandWhite
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It's all Hyman's fault he wanted to be a Leafs player for the rest of his life.
He should have just taken the short term cheap-o deal Dubas offered him. Fans got it all wrong. It's not Dubas' fault that Hyman is gone.
It's Hyman's fault for not being recognized as the talent fans knew he was all along.
He should have just taken the short term cheap-o deal Dubas offered him. Fans got it all wrong. It's not Dubas' fault that Hyman is gone.
It's Hyman's fault for not being recognized as the talent fans knew he was all along.
thewave
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The whole thing is the three stooges fault. Shanny Dubbie and Keefe. 2 down
ACC1224
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Bless the NHL for having it again where the two conference finals are on alternating nights with no additional days off.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Also forced Dubas to trade a first (Jarvis) to dump Marleau. What a clown.Its not revisionist history, if you were one of those screaming for Dubas to be fired, and argued and took the position at the time that Hyman should be re-signed,
That just makes one look brilliant in hindsight and Leafs actual GM clueless.
But you're not wrong that giving a player like Marner his UFA rate (2nd contract) for his RFA years played a big part as Dubas badly overspent on the core 4. That example is made easily when you just take Braydon Point and Mitch Marner's 2nd contracts as comparison coming off similar contract year seasons.
View attachment 875183
Tampa Bay GM signed Brayden Point to a 3 year bridge deal coming off a 41 goal 92 point season to a 3 year $6.75 mil contract.
View attachment 875184
While a clueless Dubas gave Marner a 6 year ( 4 of which was RFA years) a contract at $10.9 mil AAV. That was a $4.15 mil of Hyman's $5 mil potential re-signing right there.,
Not only did that cost the Leafs a key player like Hyman it also cost the Leafs in terms of Cup competitiveness as Point (much like Hyman is doing now) would lead the playoffs in scoring with 14 goals in 2020 and 2021 on the way to 2 X Stanley Cups for the Lightning, While Point produced 30 goals 31 assists for 61 points on that contract. Marner can't match those totals his entire career.
View attachment 875193
Leafs Nation sure is feeling the impact of a past incompetent GM and doing it so as we Leaf Nation are forced to live vicariously through his mistakes watching Hyman tear up NHL playoff scoring with 12 goals in 13 playoff games leading Oilers deep into the playoffs.
Menzinger
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Curious if they keep Tulsky. His name is generally speaking floated around amongst the top up-and-coming agms looking to transition to GM.
I was hoping the Leafs might inquire about hiring him after they fired dubas last summer.
ULF_55
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Is that part 1 of moving up further?
Just seems too close to guarantee anything for the Hawks.
Or is it the Islanders wanting more draft capital?
Bizarre trade to make right now. Value looks right to me but that's a draft day trade, when you know who is on the board with your pick coming up - not a month in advance.
Peasy
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I am honestly so flabbergasted by this trade. I honestly dont understand Chicago's logic in it at all, to do it right now.
Evilhomer
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Have to think there is something more to it. Otherwise, it's seems completely random.
Edit: my guess is that Lou needs the second round pick for a deal he is cooking.
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