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[ToneDog]

Jack Hughes at 8 million til 2029 looks like a steal!

NJ gambled and one. Is Wille worth $2m more than Hughes? Matty worth $5+m more. Mitch worth $3m more now or $4+m on his next deal ? f*** no. Devils did it right and their window will be open for the next decade. Their problem is they do not print money like MLSEL and cannot buy their way out of dumb mistakes.

 

[Jojalu]

NJ gambled and one. Is Wille worth $2m more than Hughes? Matty worth $5+m more. Mitch worth $3m more now or $4+m on his next deal ? f*** no. Devils did it right and their window will be open for the next decade. Their problem is they do not print money like MLSEL and cannot buy their way out of dumb mistakes.

The more teams start to gamble and lock up their young talent early the worse it looks for the Leafs.

Robertson, Thompson, Hughes all locked in longterm for pretty good numbers.

Nylander's deal now looks like the only one that was a bargain for the Leafs but now as a UFA they will have to pay to keep him.

 

[ToneDog]

The more teams start to gamble and lock up their young talent early the worse it looks for the Leafs.

Robertson, Thompson, Hughes all locked in longterm for pretty good numbers.

Nylander's deal now looks like the only one that was a bargain for the Leafs but now as a UFA they will have to pay to keep him.

When it comes to his next contract I wonder if Hawks give Bedard blank check or deal like Hughes.

The more teams start to gamble and lock up their young talent early the worse it looks for the Leafs.

Robertson, Thompson, Hughes all locked in longterm for pretty good numbers.

Nylander's deal now looks like the only one that was a bargain for the Leafs but now as a UFA they will have to pay to keep him.

As bad as the money Dubas gave them, he did not get the full term for any of the 3. Pure f***ing idiot. LOL at the people calling him forward looking.

 

[BertCorbeau]

The mistake was waiting until after their third seasons to sign the big three… Lou dropped the ball with Nylander and Dubas dropped the ball with Marner

Matthews coming out of the gate in his rookie season with 40 goals set him apart from guys like Hughes who took a few seasons to get going, so Matthews’ contract is more justifiable being higher (that much higher, not so much)

 

[Jojalu]

When it comes to his next contract I wonder if Hawks give Bedard blank check or deal like Hughes.


As bad as the money Dubas gave them, he did not get the full term for any of the 3. Pure f***ing idiot. LOL at the people calling him forward looking.

The Bedard deal will be something to watch for.

I imagine he comes in above Hughes but below what Matthews and Marner signed for 5 years ago.

Which will make me want to puke

 

[ToneDog]

The mistake was waiting until after their third seasons to sign the big three… Lou dropped the ball with Nylander and Dubas dropped the ball with Marner

Matthews coming out of the gate in his rookie season with 40 goals set him apart from guys like Hughes who took a few seasons to get going, so Matthews’ contract is more justifiable being higher (that much higher, not so much)

Dubas should still have signed them for the max term. Imagine all 3 coming off the books a year after Tavrares comes of the books.

 

[ACC1224]

When it comes to his next contract I wonder if Hawks give Bedard blank check or deal like Hughes.


As bad as the money Dubas gave them, he did not get the full term for any of the 3. Pure f***ing idiot. LOL at the people calling him forward looking.

Everyone knew at the time how poorly Dubas handled it all and with hindsight it looks even worse.
Time flies though, they are almost out the other end of it. Hopefully the new GM pivots the right way.

 

[ToneDog]

The Bedard deal will be something to watch for.

I imagine he comes in above Hughes but below what Matthews and Marner signed for 5 years ago.

Which will make me want to puke

Want to see if he pulls a Matty and signs for less than the max term.

Everyone knew at the time how poorly Dubas handled it all and with hindsight it looks even worse.
Time flies though, they are almost out the other end of it. Hopefully the new GM pivots the right way.

$13.25mx5 for Matty and Willie not signed yet tells me it is the same old same old; and he is not getting a sweet deal from Willie this time.

 

[Jojalu]

Want to see if he pulls a Matty and signs for less than the max term.


$13.25mx5 for Matty and Willie not signed yet tells me it is the same old same old; and he is not getting a sweet deal from Willie this time.

I don't really blame anyone but Shanny and MLSE.

Pretty difficult to blame Matthews and Marner who were 20 years old getting bad advice from their agents/parents. Difficult to have foresight when you are young and naive.

Dubas was new to being a GM and who knows what pressure he had from above to just get it done.

Where was Shanny and the board to help Dubas negotiate? No one stepped in and said this is probably not the best way to go?

We all know now that Dubas had to go up the ladder to get everything approved so the only fault I put on him was going to the media to say they could get it done

 

[BertCorbeau]

Oilers losing McDavid even for 1-2 weeks can set them back a lot.

That being said the Pacific is a weak division.

 

[Jojalu]

Oilers losing McDavid even for 1-2 weeks can set them back a lot.

That being said the Pacific is a weak division.

Crazy small sample size but Draisaitl now has 14 points in the last 7 gamea McDavid has missed and they are 4-3.

None of it matters if they don't have a goalie that can make a save though

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Oilers losing McDavid even for 1-2 weeks can set them back a lot.

That being said the Pacific is a weak division.

I think they'll right the ship. But man, what a disastrous start for them. Neither goalie can save a beach ball right now. They need Skinner to get his head out of his rear -- it's clear that Campbell is way too mentally fragile and just not good overall to be the guy.

 

[Fogelhund]

The more teams start to gamble and lock up their young talent early the worse it looks for the Leafs.

Robertson, Thompson, Hughes all locked in longterm for pretty good numbers.

Nylander's deal now looks like the only one that was a bargain for the Leafs but now as a UFA they will have to pay to keep him.

Hughes signed after a career high 31 points. He broke out AFTER signing his contract. What NJ did right, was signing him as early as possible, before he broke out. There was talk of Hughes being a bust, right up until that... but how quickly people forget that.

"I think I had a really good year, established myself as a really good player in the league," Hughes said Saturday when asked what personal accomplishment he's most proud of. "Maybe the goal-scoring a bit, I don't know if anyone expected me to score 40 in my career, let alone three years after everyone was calling me the biggest bust ever."

The 2019 first overall pick struggled out of the gate to begin his career, leading many skeptics to view him as a bust. He tallied just 21 points in 61 games during his rookie year and 31 points in 56 contests during his sophomore campaign.

We didn't have that luxury, as all of our players broke out... right out of the gate. Nobody put up 31 points... Nylander was 61 points, Matthews was 40 goals, Marner was 61 points first season, 69 second... (and of course 94 points before signing). Our players were stars from day one.

I don't know why Leafs fans keep forgetting this.

Robertson is a legitimate steal for Dallas, his agent should probably be canned.

Thompson... well I mean he signed six years after his draft, on his third contract. His first four years in the NHL were 9, 0, 12 and 14 points. Then the one bigger year, at 38 goals and 68 points... so after being a complete nothing for five years, he has one year of production and gets the Nylander contract, after one year of Nylander production, when the prior five were garbage.

Seriously people, does nobody understand the context from which contracts are signed?

 

[ACC1224]

Hughes signed after a career high 31 points. He broke out AFTER signing his contract. What NJ did right, was signing him as early as possible, before he broke out. There was talk of Hughes being a bust, right up until that... but how quickly people forget that.

We didn't have that luxury, as all of our players broke out... right out of the gate. Nobody put up 31 points... Nylander was 61 points, Matthews was 40 goals, Marner was 61 points first season, 69 second... (and of course 94 points before signing). Our players were stars from day one.

I don't know why Leafs fans keep forgetting this.

Robertson is a legitimate steal for Dallas, his agent should probably be canned.

Thompson... well I mean he signed six years after his draft, on his third contract. His first four years in the NHL were 9, 0, 12 and 14 points. Then the one bigger year, at 38 goals and 68 points... so after being a complete nothing for five years, he has one year of production and gets the Nylander contract, after one year of Nylander production, when the prior five were garbage.

Seriously people, does nobody understand the context from which contracts are signed?

Marner would have taken 8.5 before his big breakout year, that would have been the time to sign him.

 

[Jojalu]

Hughes signed after a career high 31 points. He broke out AFTER signing his contract. What NJ did right, was signing him as early as possible, before he broke out. There was talk of Hughes being a bust, right up until that... but how quickly people forget that.

We didn't have that luxury, as all of our players broke out... right out of the gate. Nobody put up 31 points... Nylander was 61 points, Matthews was 40 goals, Marner was 61 points first season, 69 second... (and of course 94 points before signing). Our players were stars from day one.

I don't know why Leafs fans keep forgetting this.

Robertson is a legitimate steal for Dallas, his agent should probably be canned.

Thompson... well I mean he signed six years after his draft, on his third contract. His first four years in the NHL were 9, 0, 12 and 14 points. Then the one bigger year, at 38 goals and 68 points... so after being a complete nothing for five years, he has one year of production and gets the Nylander contract, after one year of Nylander production, when the prior five were garbage.

Seriously people, does nobody understand the context from which contracts are signed?

No one forgets the context..

Yet no one has come close to signing for what Matthews and Marner did coming out of ELC and we are 5 years removed.

I never had an issue what the Leafs were attempting to do but there was zero reason for them to go as high as they did with all the leverage on their side

 

[Fogelhund]

Marner would have taken 8.5 before his big breakout year, that would have been the time to sign him.

In hindsight, you are right. But even without that, we all acknowledge that Marner was overpaid by about $1.5 million anyway... so a year earlier would have saved another $1.5 mil. So, our issues are somewhere in the $1.5-$3 mil in overpayment, with 100% hindsight. Assuming, Marner's camp would have signed early, and not wanted to bet on themselves... which we don't know.

No one forgets the context..

Yet no one has come close to signing for what Matthews and Marner did coming out of ELC and we are 5 years removed.

I never had an issue what the Leafs were attempting to do but there was zero reason for them to go as high as they did with all the leverage on their side

No one forgets the context.... says the guy who used Hughes and Thompson as comparables...

Feel free to list the comparables, coming out of ELC, who produced at the same levels on their first ELC.

 

[BallardEra]

This reminds me of the the Dion Phaneuf years. "Lots of positives....blah blah blah..."

 

[kb]

Hughes signed after a career high 31 points. He broke out AFTER signing his contract. What NJ did right, was signing him as early as possible, before he broke out. There was talk of Hughes being a bust, right up until that... but how quickly people forget that.

"I think I had a really good year, established myself as a really good player in the league," Hughes said Saturday when asked what personal accomplishment he's most proud of. "Maybe the goal-scoring a bit, I don't know if anyone expected me to score 40 in my career, let alone three years after everyone was calling me the biggest bust ever."

The 2019 first overall pick struggled out of the gate to begin his career, leading many skeptics to view him as a bust. He tallied just 21 points in 61 games during his rookie year and 31 points in 56 contests during his sophomore campaign.

We didn't have that luxury, as all of our players broke out... right out of the gate. Nobody put up 31 points... Nylander was 61 points, Matthews was 40 goals, Marner was 61 points first season, 69 second... (and of course 94 points before signing). Our players were stars from day one.

I don't know why Leafs fans keep forgetting this.

Robertson is a legitimate steal for Dallas, his agent should probably be canned.

Thompson... well I mean he signed six years after his draft, on his third contract. His first four years in the NHL were 9, 0, 12 and 14 points. Then the one bigger year, at 38 goals and 68 points... so after being a complete nothing for five years, he has one year of production and gets the Nylander contract, after one year of Nylander production, when the prior five were garbage.

Seriously people, does nobody understand the context from which contracts are signed?

You mean the people with.....agendas?

 

[ACC1224]

In hindsight, you are right. But even without that, we all acknowledge that Marner was overpaid by about $1.5 million anyway... so a year earlier would have saved another $1.5 mil. So, our issues are somewhere in the $1.5-$3 mil in overpayment, with 100% hindsight. Assuming, Marner's camp would have signed early, and not wanted to bet on themselves... which we don't know.


Feel free to list the comparables, coming out of ELC, who produced at the same levels on their first ELC.

Even if you choose not to believe Marner made the 8.5 x 8 offer, signing Matthews first still bumped everything up, caused the Marner over pay and will affect what they all will sign going forward.

 

[BallardEra]

All starts with that D in Edmonton.

It's garbage.

 

[SprDaVE]

Connor Brown has not worked out at all for the Oilers. The games I watched he looked really out of sync, which is sort of expected but not at that level. It seems like Brown chose the Oilers after a convo/dinner with McDavid, but I wonder if the Leafs tried to sign him this off-season.

 

[dangomon]

Connor Brown has not worked out at all for the Oilers. The games I watched he looked really out of sync, which is sort of expected but not at that level. It seems like Brown chose the Oilers after a convo/dinner with McDavid, but I wonder if the Leafs tried to sign him this off-season.

General question: If Brown were to be waived and claimed before his bonus kicks in (I think it's 10GP), who is on the hook for that on next year's cap? I would assume it's the team he's on at that point, or would it be the signing team (EDM)?

 

[SprDaVE]

General question: If Brown were to be waived and claimed before his bonus kicks in (I think it's 10GP), who is on the hook for that on next year's cap? I would assume it's the team he's on at that point, or would it be the signing team (EDM)?

The new team. You'd be picking up the contract.

 

[dangomon]

The new team. You'd be picking up the contract.

Ew.

 

[Fogelhund]

Connor Brown has not worked out at all for the Oilers. The games I watched he looked really out of sync, which is sort of expected but not at that level. It seems like Brown chose the Oilers after a convo/dinner with McDavid, but I wonder if the Leafs tried to sign him this off-season.

He's been on the ice for 38 shots for, 24 against.. But somehow... no goals for. He played a little bit with Kane and McDavid... they dominated possession, dominated shots... and didn't score, but had three goals against.... kind of the story of the Oilers so far this year. At least he's on a league minimum contract, so if it doesn't work, they can send him down.

I just saw that bonus... ... That's terrible. Is there any chance at all, he doesn't go on waivers and get sent down after nine or ten games... and who in their right mind would even contemplate claiming him?