Around the League Part XIII: The season's here, and so still is this thread!

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What's wrong with what he said?

You think a new team in the GTA would get any coverage if Toronto won the Cup?

They wouldn't, no one would know about them for a year or two
 

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What's wrong with what he said?

You think a new team in the GTA would get any coverage if Toronto won the Cup?

They wouldn't, no one would know about them for a year or two

"If we decided that we were putting a second team in Ontario, and the year the team was supposed to start, the Leafs won the cup, that second team wouldn't exist"

Must have forgotten that there was already a second team in Ontario.
 

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Still wish Leafs never traded Schenn, how did they get JVR for him...

Oh man, I knew that was a bad trade the minute it went down. Same with the Bernier trade. That was a steal.

I have to admit, I'm a little more afraid of the Leafs now than I was at any point over the last decade, now that they've made the conscious effort under Shanahan to actually pay attention to current trends and eschew the old ways of "truculence" and failed ideas on how to play hockey in the post-lockout era.

They have the horses on that team to be a legit every-year playoff team. Kessel, with his terrible conditioning, will experience a huge drop-off in production the second his "prime" is over... but until then, he's still an elite talent. They still need a center, but there are enough guys on that team that they should be an every-year playoff team. Not Cup contenders, but they should be in the top-8 in the East, especially considering how weak it is.

The problem for the last 3-4 years has been at the coaching and management levels. Leafs have made some good trades, but everything has always fallen apart at the organizational level - as in: "how do we organize this group of talent into a cohesive group that wins games consistently?". They misuse their youth at a level that is criminal, and are probably the most stubborn team in the league in the worst way possible. If all of a sudden they are prepared to change their philosophy, I think it's worth taking notice, because honestly, there's nowhere for that team to go but up. Unpopular opinion around these parts I'm sure, but rivalries aside, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that there's not a whole lot of room for improvement on that Leafs team, and foolish to think they can't fulfill at least a little of that untapped potential.

If there's a saving grace as a non-Leafs fan, it's that Nonis is still (and always be) an idiot and Carlyle is a dinosaur who refuses to alter his gameplan to suit the kind of talent he has on his team. Once the Leafs rid themselves of those two - assuming, of course, that they don't replace them with equal or worse boneheads - that team will turn a big corner.

Personally, the fact that Carlyle got extended until the year 2017 was probably my favorite offseason move of any team in the NHL. Leafs do have talent on their roster, but knowing that Carlyle is there to ensure it stays buried, and knowing he won't ever budge from his awful gameplanning and strategies that misuse all of his skilled players... it warms the cockles of my heart on even the darkest nights.
 

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Wait, what?
It's still working for me.



Related: the new "waiver eligibility" feature on the team's main page is amazing. Does all the work for you, and displays it all in shadow text.
Bravo, Capgeek. Bravo.

Capgeek had technical issues earlier today.
And yeah, I saw that waiver thing last week. It's sweet.

So apparently J.Staal broke his leg today?
 

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Don't worry about Bettman, he seems to think we have a shot at the cup, so... :laugh:
 

BonkTastic

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Capgeek had technical issues earlier today.

My first reaction was that it was down... permanently. Like the Advanced Stats sites that closed over the summer. Freaked me out, man!


So apparently J.Staal broke his leg today?

Broke it in a fall along the boards involving Josh Gorges. Looked innocent enough, just bad luck on Staal's part.


... That being said, I think you can now safely pencil in the Hurricanes as serious, legit contenders for McDavid/Eichel.
 

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I have to admit, I'm a little more afraid of the Leafs now than I was at any point over the last decade, now that they've made the conscious effort under Shanahan to actually pay attention to current trends and eschew the old ways of "truculence" and failed ideas on how to play hockey in the post-lockout era.

They have the horses on that team to be a legit every-year playoff team. Kessel, with his terrible conditioning, will experience a huge drop-off in production the second his "prime" is over... but until then, he's still an elite talent. They still need a center, but there are enough guys on that team that they should be an every-year playoff team. Not Cup contenders, but they should be in the top-8 in the East, especially considering how weak it is.

The problem for the last 3-4 years has been at the coaching and management levels. Leafs have made some good trades, but everything has always fallen apart at the organizational level - as in: "how do we organize this group of talent into a cohesive group that wins games consistently?". They misuse their youth at a level that is criminal, and are probably the most stubborn team in the league in the worst way possible. If all of a sudden they are prepared to change their philosophy, I think it's worth taking notice, because honestly, there's nowhere for that team to go but up. Unpopular opinion around these parts I'm sure, but rivalries aside, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that there's not a whole lot of room for improvement on that Leafs team, and foolish to think they can't fulfill at least a little of that untapped potential.

If there's a saving grace as a non-Leafs fan, it's that Nonis is still (and always be) an idiot and Carlyle is a dinosaur who refuses to alter his gameplan to suit the kind of talent he has on his team. Once the Leafs rid themselves of those two - assuming, of course, that they don't replace them with equal or worse boneheads - that team will turn a big corner.

Personally, the fact that Carlyle got extended until the year 2017 was probably my favorite offseason move of any team in the NHL. Leafs do have talent on their roster, but knowing that Carlyle is there to ensure it stays buried, and knowing he won't ever budge from his awful gameplanning and strategies that misuse all of his skilled players... it warms the cockles of my heart on even the darkest nights.

I definitely agree that the Leafs are more dangerous with Shanny on board. I also noticed that once the analytics hired went through the talk of using Kadri and Gardiner as trade chips to get more Bolland type players went away. With their resources they could build a scary team.

As you point out, the coaching and management has always let them down over the past decade or so. I believe that Nonis is a lame duck at this point, and probably has to clear all moves before he makes them. He is just being kept around until others gain a bit more experience before taking over. I don't expect Carlyle to finish the season as the coach despite the contract extension. Big budget teams can burn money in that way.
 

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I also noticed that once the analytics hired went through the talk of using Kadri and Gardiner as trade chips to get more Bolland type players went away.

Yep. Like, literally overnight.

For the better part of 6 months, it seemed like it was a given that they'd move those two for a short-term bandaid to get them into the playoffs, and as soon as Shanny got there and started setting up office, those rumors died on the spot.
 

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So... uhh... those Capitals Winter Classic jerseys sure are something.

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Normally I'm a big fan of retro feels & looks, but I'm not digging this. At all.


Looks like a bad high school jersey from the 70's.
 

Cashin

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^ looks somewhat pretentious, definitely college-esque. Doesn't do it for me but some people eat that stuff up.
 

Benjamin

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So... uhh... those Capitals Winter Classic jerseys sure are something.


Normally I'm a big fan of retro feels & looks, but I'm not digging this. At all.


Looks like a bad high school jersey from the 70's.

Design is meh and the colour is awful. I think it'll look better in game though.
 

Caeldan

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Heard Stepans out with a fractured fibula?

What the heck is going on this preseason.
 

Caeldan

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So many big injuries already. Staal, Stepan, Datsyuk. Gawd, I hope we can get out of preseason in one piece.

Also, haven't heard the reason why but apparently Semin in Carolina hasn't suited up for a preseason game yet, though he's taken practices and is with the team currently.
 

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Don't forget Giroux and I believe Doughty was also banged up a bit. Not to mention Crosby ad Malkin sitting out the first couple of days and the scare we nearly had with Ryan.
 

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"If we decided that we were putting a second team in Ontario, and the year the team was supposed to start, the Leafs won the cup, that second team wouldn't exist"

Must have forgotten that there was already a second team in Ontario.

Yes, brain warp there. Plus how often has Toronto won the cup in recent years?

I think his comments were silly and i am not sure he thought this through. He could have been more informative but chose to provide silly comments.
 
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