Around the league part 2

[Herby]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1825522460185198916

22 years old, over 100 AHL games, experience in the second best league in the world as a teenager, elite skill level, a great goalie signed long-term blocking him.

Making peanuts again in Milwaukee in a contract year is just stupid, the Predators should have known this was coming when they went down this dumb path. He should have been traded at the deadline or at the draft.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

22 years old, over 100 AHL games, experience in the second best league in the world as a teenager, elite skill level, a great goalie signed long-term blocking him.

Making peanuts again in Milwaukee in a contract year is just stupid, the Predators should have known this was coming when they went down this dumb path. He should have been traded at the deadline or at the draft.

Rob better be working hard to acquire Askarov.

 

[Herby]

Rob better be working hard to acquire Askarov.

He's traded so many of the things that could have been used to bring in a guy like this, for non-difference makers like PLD, Fiala and Gavrikov in Bluc's futile attempt to win with 11 and 8.

I just can't see anything other than Clarke that works out value and cap wise (and I don't think anyone wants Clarke gone), the Kings are just to gutted of youth to win a battle with other teams for his services.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Rob better be working hard to acquire Askarov.

At any cost?

He's traded so many of the things that could have been used to bring in a guy like this, for non-difference makers like PLD, Fiala and Gavrikov in Bluc's futile attempt to win with 11 and 8.

I just can't see anything other than Clarke that works out value and cap wise (and I don't think anyone wants Clarke gone), the Kings are just to gutted of youth to win a battle with other teams for his services.

It depends, NSH seems to have gone all in on winning this year or next with their signings, does a 1st, Kaliyev and Moore do it? Not that I would necessarily do that or know the cap implications of doing that, but doesn't seem like NSH is looking for that prospect.......but for guys who can help them immediately.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

He's traded so many of the things that could have been used to bring in a guy like this, for non-difference makers like PLD, Fiala and Gavrikov in Bluc's futile attempt to win with 11 and 8.

I just can't see anything other than Clarke that works out value and cap wise (and I don't think anyone wants Clarke gone), the Kings are just to gutted of youth to win a battle with other teams for his services.

Unfortunately, you’re likely correct on this.

 

[Herby]

At any cost?



It depends, NSH seems to have gone all in on winning this year or next with their signings, does a 1st, Kaliyev and Moore do it? Not that I would necessarily do that or know the cap implications of doing that, but doesn't seem like NSH is looking for that prospect.......but for guys who can help them immediately.

Every move Rob Blake has made in the last 3+ years has been to try and win with 11 and 8. So why would he trade a player in his prime who led the team in goals last season for an asset that won’t be an immediate difference maker? This trade would not make the Kings a better team next season, and the immediate is all they care about. Even if Askarov became Hasek in 2-3 years that means nothing to BLuc, because they won’t be here when it happens.

 

[YP44]

Vancouver throws in the towel on Podkolzin, traded to Edmonton for a 4th round pick, for a guy they took #10 overall in 2019, yikes what a fall. He looked well on track in his first season in North America, but it's been a total disaster since.

Edmonton also trades Ceci to SJ for Ty Emberson. Seems like a win/win move. The Oilers will now match both offer-sheets from STL and the Sharks get a solid veteran to mentor their youth and then flip him to a contender at the deadline.

massive loss for Ceci though, who must hate the blues.

Rob better be working hard to acquire Askarov.

don't think LA has the assets.

 

[Johnny Utah]

We do not have the assets and why do this with Portillo, George and Hampton.

 

[Herby]

We do not have the assets and why do this with Portillo, George and Hampton.

Askarov is a way better player than any of those guys, but you are right, the Kings don't have the young assets to be in this discussion

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Every move Rob Blake has made in the last 3+ years has been to try and win with 11 and 8. So why would he trade a player in his prime who led the team in goals last season for an asset that won’t be an immediate difference maker? This trade would not make the Kings a better team next season, and the immediate is all they care about. Even if Askarov became Hasek in 2-3 years that means nothing to BLuc, because they won’t be here when it happens.

3 plus years, so since, 2020-2021? - 22 trades since 2021 to now, MOST of those have been sideways deals Burroughs for Grundstrom, Allard for Burke, etc.

He traded for Arvidsson, Fiala, Dubois, Jeannot, those were his biggest trades, and of that, all of them with the exception of Arvidsson, who was 28 when he was traded to LA, were 26 or under, he traded away Carter, traded for Portillo, traded away Quick....

Seems like if the deal makes sense, he will do it, I don't know if it does or not, don't know if Moore is the player Nashville wants/needs etc, I am saying that Nashville won't be looking for picks/prospects for Askarov, I don't think, not after blowing their wad in the off-season to try and win now.

 

[johnjm22]

Askarov's value is difficult to gauge IMO. He's still a goalie, which adds a bit of a wild card to this.

I'm not really that high on him.

 

[johnjm22]

Podkolzin was drafted the same year as Kaliyev. If he's only worth a 4th, what does that make AK's value?

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[Schrute farms]

That trade value ^^^ given up for Laine is basically what I had thought PLD would go for last summer - before Blake stepped in it.

 

[Steve Zissou]

That trade value ^^^ given up for Laine is basically what I had thought PLD would go for last summer - before Blake stepped in it.

Blake bids against himself.

 

[Schmooley]

Askarov is a way better player than any of those guys, but you are right, the Kings don't have the young assets to be in this discussion

Its a shame the Kings didnt just stay the course. Theyd have the assets to get Askarov. They could have turned that 2020 draft with Byfield, Faber, Askarov into their version of Dallas 2017 draft of Robertson, Heiskanen, Oettinger.
Thats a heck of a foundation to build around not even including Clarke and whatever first rounders from 2022-2023 theyd have in the mix.

 

[kingsboy11]

I like the idea of Askarov, but they've committed the future to Portillo in the short term and then either Hampton or George as the long term guy. Add in the fact we probably aren't a good trade partner with the Preds, it seems like a long shot.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Askarov be asking out of Nashville like...

 

[Bandit]

I like the idea of Askarov, but they've committed the future to Portillo in the short term and then either Hampton or George as the long term guy. Add in the fact we probably aren't a good trade partner with the Preds, it seems like a long shot.

Once upon a time the Kings were committed to Bernier as their future number 1. Then Quick came from the ECHL and stole Bernier's lunch money. Goalies are weird, you never know and it's good to have options. Like others I doubt we have anything nashville wants that we'd be willing to give up though.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Podkolzin was drafted the same year as Kaliyev. If he's only worth a 4th, what does that make AK's value?

Waiver fodder.

 

[Herby]

3 plus years, so since, 2020-2021? - 22 trades since 2021 to now, MOST of those have been sideways deals Burroughs for Grundstrom, Allard for Burke, etc.

He traded for Arvidsson, Fiala, Dubois, Jeannot, those were his biggest trades, and of that, all of them with the exception of Arvidsson, who was 28 when he was traded to LA, were 26 or under, he traded away Carter, traded for Portillo, traded away Quick....

Seems like if the deal makes sense, he will do it, I don't know if it does or not, don't know if Moore is the player Nashville wants/needs etc, I am saying that Nashville won't be looking for picks/prospects for Askarov, I don't think, not after blowing their wad in the off-season to try and win now.

No GBH,

The summer of 2021 was very clearly a turning point in the direction the Kings went, that was 3 years and 1 month ago.

Since the end of the 2021 season they have lost the following assets 24 or under either through trade or because they waived them in favor of playing older veterans. This is very clearly moves made by a team that is 100% all-in on winning a championship, with no regard at all for the future.

Brock Faber (20) (2nd in 2020)
1st in 2022 (18)
1st in 2023 (18)
Sean Durzi (24)
Gabe Vilardi (23) (1st in 2017)
Rasmus Kupari (22) (1st in 2018)
Tobias Bjornfot (23) (1st in 2019)
JAD (24) (2nd in 2017)
Helge Grans (22) (2nd in 2020)

Portillo was not a move made for the future, you could make that case if it was an older player traded for him, it wasn't it was an asset that would have been used on a younger player. (although I do think it was a good value trade), but Portillo being traded for at 22 gave them an opportunity for him to play as a backup or even a starter while Doughty and Kopitar were still active.

Quick was not traded to free up a spot for a younger player or to get younger, he was a throw in to make the trade work financially, same with Iafallo.

The names and picks listed above are just a massive bailing on a rebuild to try and win in a shorter window.

 

[unicornpig]

damn, columbus cant catch a break.

 

[YP44]

Podkolzin was drafted the same year as Kaliyev. If he's only worth a 4th, what does that make AK's value?

think pretty comparable. Without looking it up I think Kaliyev has played more in the NHL .

Waiver fodder.

This is what will happen

damn, columbus cant catch a break.

What do you mean?
What's funny is they aquired a guy who made it known he was not for Provorov and others not wearing pride jerseys a year after getting provorov.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

No GBH,

The summer of 2021 was very clearly a turning point in the direction the Kings went, that was 3 years and 1 month ago.

Since the end of the 2021 season they have lost the following assets 24 or under either through trade or because they waived them in favor of playing older veterans. This is very clearly moves made by a team that is 100% all-in on winning a championship, with no regard at all for the future.

Brock Faber (20) (2nd in 2020)
1st in 2022 (18)
1st in 2023 (18)
Sean Durzi (24)
Gabe Vilardi (23) (1st in 2017)
Rasmus Kupari (22) (1st in 2018)
Tobias Bjornfot (23) (1st in 2019)
JAD (24) (2nd in 2017)
Helge Grans (22) (2nd in 2020)

Portillo was not a move made for the future, you could make that case if it was an older player traded for him, it wasn't it was an asset that would have been used on a younger player. (although I do think it was a good value trade), but Portillo being traded for at 22 gave them an opportunity for him to play as a backup or even a starter while Doughty and Kopitar were still active.

Quick was not traded to free up a spot for a younger player or to get younger, he was a throw in to make the trade work financially, same with Iafallo.

The names and picks listed above are just a massive bailing on a rebuild to try and win in a shorter window.

Faber, Vilardi, absolutely, late 1st, late 1st, Durzi, the kid that everyone wanted kicked out of town, Kupari isn't playing, Bjornfot isn't playing, JAD isn't playing, Grans isn't playing....

The only players worth anything are Vilardi, Faber, and Durzi, and with Durzi, you had this board clamorning to get him gone, every other player mentioned isn't playing for wherever they are now, and the 2 late 1sts....who knows, are they assets, sure.

Now keep in mind, they acquired players that were 26 or under, basically instead of a lottery ticket late 1st, get a "guaranteed win" depending on your definition of it, show me a major move that had them trade a verifiable asset like a Faber, or a Vilardi, for a rental, or a 30 plus player? Hasn't happened.....I like how you have to redefine the Portillo trade....doesn't fit the narrative, let's change it......it was a move...for the future, plain and simple, now obviously there haven't been many of them, but they aren't adverse to it it seems.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Since the end of the 2021 season they have lost the following assets 24 or under either through trade or because they waived them in favor of playing older veterans. This is very clearly moves made by a team that is 100% all-in on winning a championship, with no regard at all for the future.

Brock Faber (20) (2nd in 2020)
1st in 2022 (18)
1st in 2023 (18)
Sean Durzi (24)
Gabe Vilardi (23) (1st in 2017)
Rasmus Kupari (22) (1st in 2018)
Tobias Bjornfot (23) (1st in 2019)
JAD (24) (2nd in 2017)
Helge Grans (22) (2nd in 2020)

I would add

Fagemo (yes they got him back but that wasn't by design)
the 3rd traded for Portillo
the 2nd and 4th traded for Jeannot
the 2nd round pick in the Petersen cap dump
the 5th round pick in the McEwen trade
the 3rd round pick in the Quick trade
the 7th round pick in the Stetcher Trade