Around the league part 2

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chris kontos

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Oil forwards are lazy back checkers and the defensemen are terrible- desharnais is barely an nhl player and ceci and nurse are radically overated. Eckholm is their only real d man and hes at the end of his career. So they run around and get belligerent and cost thier team even more than thier confusion on defense.
Its pretty weird to watch being this is an nhl team
 
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johnjm22

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This was such an interesting matchup because the Canucks are the highest PDO team in the league, while the Oilers are near the bottom in PDO.

And it played out EXACTLY like you would expect; a team who can't get a save or a bounce verse a team who's getting all the saves and all the bounces.

Oilers come out and outshoot them 19-2 and still find themselves trailing after the 1st period.
 

Sol

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Man. Crazy to think Woodcroft who has went much further than Todd might be out of a job for a bad season to start.

I really like McDavid as a player. Talented and gritty, that being said, I wouldn’t mind him getting cross checked in the face every now and then. His cheap antics need to be given right back to him.
 
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lumbergh

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This was such an interesting matchup because the Canucks are the highest PDO team in the league, while the Oilers are near the bottom in PDO.

And it played out EXACTLY like you would expect; a team who can't get a save or a bounce verse a team who's getting all the saves and all the bounces.

Oilers come out and outshoot them 19-2 and still find themselves trailing after the 1st period.
It might actually suggest that PDO is a very valuable stat as it relates to how good a team is.
 

Axl Rhoadz

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Man. Crazy to think Woodcroft who has went much further than Todd might be out of a job for a bad season to start.
YEAH...isn't it just crazy to think that players might have something to do with the performance of a team...isn't just absolute BONKERS to realize that???!!!

And BTW, when you say that Woodcroft 'has went much farther than Todd'...I assume you are just referring to the last two seasons, right?
 

BigBrown

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The Oilers playing awful hockey is certainly something to celebrate. Screw those guys.

Unfortunately they'll bounce back eventually. A 2-8-1 stretch is awful but many teams experience something similar over the course of a season. Theirs just happened to come at the start where it is amplified.

Still, I really really hope they lose against the Sharks just so we can enjoy the total meltdown.
 

LAKings88

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The Oilers aren’t a good team. McDrai have carried them honestly. They do play cheap shit hockey and whine when it doesn’t go their way. I’m still pissed LA lost yo them last year. They choked away that series.
 

Chazz Reinhold

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It might actually suggest that PDO is a very valuable stat as it relates to how good a team is.
Not really. Shooting percentages and save percentages can run to extremes, particularly over small samples. The Canucks are scoring at greater than a 15% clip right now. Even the Oilers only finished last season at around 12% (which is where the top teams each season usually land). This Canucks team does not have 3% better natural shooting talent than the Oilers team from last season. And Demko and DeSmith just are not collectively going to save 93.6% of the shots the rest of the season. This article has a pretty good example of how PDO is something that normalizes close to 100 for most teams in the long run: The Canucks are the NHL’s most surprising breakout team. Can it last?

PDO is another stat people are referencing, which is also a proxy for luck. PDO is the sum of a team’s five-on-five shooting percentage and save percentage. For example, if your team is scoring on 8 percent of its shots at five-on-five and your goalies are stopping 92 percent of shots (.920 save percentage), you’d add those up and have a PDO of 100.

Over a large sample, most teams’ PDO settles around 100. Last year, for example, 25 of the NHL’s 32 teams had a PDO between 99 to 101.5. If a team’s PDO is way higher than 100, it can be a sign that they’ve been quite lucky. If a team’s PDO is way lower than 100, it can be a sign that they’ve been really unlucky.
 

Raccoon Jesus

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Not really. Shooting percentages and save percentages can run to extremes, particularly over small samples. The Canucks are scoring at greater than a 15% clip right now. Even the Oilers only finished last season at around 12% (which is where the top teams each season usually land). This Canucks team does not have 3% better natural shooting talent than the Oilers team from last season. And Demko and DeSmith just are not collectively going to save 93.6% of the shots the rest of the season. This article has a pretty good example of how PDO is something that normalizes close to 100 for most teams in the long run: The Canucks are the NHL’s most surprising breakout team. Can it last?

really good read. I DO think the Canucks are good enough that their play will improve even when their PDO tapers.

Also, "Another important point is that Vancouver’s PDO is exaggerated by three blowout wins (8-1 against the Edmonton Oilers, 5-0 against the St. Louis Blues, 10-1 against the Sharks). If you ignored those three games, the Canucks’ PDO would be 103.4, which is much more reasonable, and they’d still have a 5-2-1 record."
 

Fishhead

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If it wasn't for SJ the Oilers would have the worst differential in the league. Those two 10 goal against games are the big reason, they are closer to SJ than they are to the other teams in the division.
 
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