Around the league part 2

[KingsHockey24]

Watching Toronto/Montreal right now.

- Kyle Clifford gets regular PK shifts
- Lias Andersson looks .. decent?
- Martin Jones would be our starter

 

[chris kontos]

Martin jones would be a great solution to our goaltender issue. However, mgt wants to expand the oldboys club with talbot. So unfortunately i dont think we'll get jones. The tsn panel seems to think he could be available

 

[Trash Panda]

Watching Toronto/Montreal right now.

- Kyle Clifford gets regular PK shifts
- Lias Andersson looks .. decent?
- Martin Jones would be our starter

Andersson always looked decent, but that’s the problem.

He is the poster boy “AAAA” hockey player.

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[King'sPawn]

Just posting this again about Lafreniere and how systems with bad forward development have a major impact on how skilled prospects adjust and perform at the NHL level.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Martin jones would be a great solution to our goaltender issue. However, mgt wants to expand the oldboys club with talbot. So unfortunately i dont think we'll get jones. The tsn panel seems to think he could be available

Not sure how Talbot fits into the “old boys club” and Martin Jones doesn’t, given he was a former King himself.

 

[chris kontos]

Not sure how Talbot fits into the “old boys club” and Martin Jones doesn’t, given he was a former King himself.

From now on i promise to do better.
Let me help- talbot was goaltender for macclellan in edmonton.
Jones was a team member before any of the present old boys club became kings management. I refer to macclellan, blake, robitaille, galley, yannetti and the rest of those assholes as the old boys club. I adm it was a somewhat obscure reference, however in the future my commentary will be concrete and as i said, i promise to do better.
Howd i do?

 

[Fishhead]

From now on i promise to do better.
Let me help- talbot was goaltender for macclellan in edmonton.
Jones was a team member before any of the present old boys club became kings management. I refer to macclellan, blake, robitaille, galley, yannetti and the rest of those assholes as the old boys club. I adm it was a somewhat obscure reference, however in the future my commentary will be concrete and as i said, i promise to do better.
Howd i do?

Absolutely terrible.

Yanetti was Director of Amateur Scouting when the Kings signed Jones.

Luc was already President of Business Ops when the Kings signed Jones.

Since when did Garry Galley become King's management? He's a broadcaster, usually for the Senators.

You obviously aren't a fact-checker.

 

[chris kontos]

Was jones team mgmt or was he a bargaining unit member?

 

[Fishhead]

Was jones team mgmt or was he a bargaining unit member?

Was Martin Jones team management?

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[KingsFan7824]

Absolutely terrible.

Yanetti was Director of Amateur Scouting when the Kings signed Jones.

Luc was already President of Business Ops when the Kings signed Jones.

Since when did Garry Galley become King's management? He's a broadcaster, usually for the Senators.

You obviously aren't a fact-checker.

How many guys did DL bring with him, hire later, or trade for, that he knew from SJ or Philly? Dude even brought Blake back twice.

The only thing that matters is winning. Do that, and nobody cares how many draft picks you fail on, or who you're buddies with, or when you made the wrong trade. There's always a right time to trade a bunch of future assets before you ever win a single playoff series.

 

[DAkings20]

Koala would send him to the Reign if he did that here.

 

[lumbergh]

We've seen Dustin Brown try that move, but it didn't really work. It's the subtle change in speed and direction that makes Bedard's version so good.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

How many guys did DL bring with him, hire later, or trade for, that he knew from SJ or Philly? Dude even brought Blake back twice.

The only thing that matters is winning. Do that, and nobody cares how many draft picks you fail on, or who you're buddies with, or when you made the wrong trade. There's always a right time to trade a bunch of future assets before you ever win a single playoff series.

I know you’re going to obfuscate this and not give a straight answer, but surely you see the difference between:

- Trading a bunch of future assets to further augment an established young core of players who haven’t won anything recently

and

- Trading a bunch of future assets to further augment an aging core of players who haven’t won anything recently

You’re right at least that winning is ultimately all that matters. If the 23/24 Kings go on a deep run, Blake will look a lot better than he does now.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I know you’re going to obfuscate this and not give a straight answer, but surely you see the difference between:

- Trading a bunch of future assets to further augment an established young core of players who haven’t won anything recently

and

- Trading a bunch of future assets to further augment an aging core of players who haven’t won anything recently

You’re right at least that winning is ultimately all that matters. If the 23/24 Kings go on a deep run, Blake will look a lot better than he does now.

Of course it's different. They still weren't in a playoff spot when Carter got here. They didn't even get better after DL brought his buddy in half way through the year.

And as we all now know, it was the wrong core to invest in, as once you took all thoee men away, the boys collapsed. Long term, they would've been better off trading the Big 4 instead of constantly adding more to them, only to be just good enough to get in. They were trying to build the Yankees, not the Kings.

There's always plenty of time to rebuild. The romantic in me gets why they would try to win again with the old Cup faces of the franchise. If they don't win, they don't win. Everyone gets fired, and then you start a real rebuild.

I get why they didn't rebuild in 2015, 2016, 2018, or why they threw their unintended 2019 rebuild out the window the last few years. If they had rebuilt any.of those times, I would've understood that too, because they simply werent good enough after they lost Voynov, and probably from the day they had to let Mitchell walk due to the cap. I'm fine either way though.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Of course it's different. They still weren't in a playoff spot when Carter got here. They didn't even get better after DL brought his buddy in half way through the year.

And as we all now know, it was the wrong core to invest in, as once you took all thoee men away, the boys collapsed. Long term, they would've been better off trading the Big 4 instead of constantly adding more to them, only to be just good enough to get in. They were trying to build the Yankees, not the Kings.

There's always plenty of time to rebuild. The romantic in me gets why they would try to win again with the old Cup faces of the franchise. If they don't win, they don't win. Everyone gets fired, and then you start a real rebuild.

I get why they didn't rebuild in 2015, 2016, 2018, or why they threw their unintended 2019 rebuild out the window the last few years. If they had rebuilt any.of those times, I would've understood that too, because they simply werent good enough after they lost Voynov, and probably from the day they had to let Mitchell walk due to the cap. I'm fine either way though.

Regardless of whether or not the core was ever good enough on their own, they were within their competitive age window at the time Lombardi added to them.

It’s a totally different situation than Blake adding to Kopitar/Doughty now, who are all on the wrong side of 30.

 

[Little Psycho]

Cal got waived by Philly. One of Blake’s biggest blunders.

 

[YP44]

Cal got waived by Philly. One of Blake’s biggest blunders.

no one should be surprised by this.

 

[bland]

Regardless of whether or not the core was ever good enough on their own, they were within their competitive age window at the time Lombardi added to them.

It’s a totally different situation than Blake adding to Kopitar/Doughty now, who are all on the wrong side of 30.

The most significant difference is that Lombardi played the kids to their strengths, correctly observed their strengths and weaknesses then shrewdly adjusted not only his roster acquisitions but also the coaching staff to supplement their shortcomings.

Blake has put the cart before the horse at every turn in his tenure.

 

[Sol]

Of course it's different. They still weren't in a playoff spot when Carter got here. They didn't even get better after DL brought his buddy in half way through the year.

And as we all now know, it was the wrong core to invest in, as once you took all thoee men away, the boys collapsed. Long term, they would've been better off trading the Big 4 instead of constantly adding more to them, only to be just good enough to get in. They were trying to build the Yankees, not the Kings.

There's always plenty of time to rebuild. The romantic in me gets why they would try to win again with the old Cup faces of the franchise. If they don't win, they don't win. Everyone gets fired, and then you start a real rebuild.

I get why they didn't rebuild in 2015, 2016, 2018, or why they threw their unintended 2019 rebuild out the window the last few years. If they had rebuilt any.of those times, I would've understood that too, because they simply werent good enough after they lost Voynov, and probably from the day they had to let Mitchell walk due to the cap. I'm fine either way though.

That’s so weird to me. The Kings were cooked. The romantic in you seems like it was hoping for a miracle with an older core whose best days were clearly behind them. Investing into that core is sheer stupidity and purely emotional reasoning. The Kings biggest mistake was not getting rid of Quick Doughty and Kopitar when they stopped fitting the new direction the Kings were heading. The reason why many people believe that that is a stupid idea is because now the Kings aren’t going to go anywhere either with them. They are gonna have some random guy like PLD who cost an arm and leg to take Kopitars throne while all the picks failed due to bad drafting and no roster spots ? That’s so stupid. There’s no good logical reasoning why Blake didnt rebuild sooner and rebuilt from the ground up.

Again despite all of Lombardis failures and victories, only towards the end of his tenure did he really start messing up with trying to recapture the cup winning team.

During the rebuild and subsequent changes/hires, we all knew as fans what he was doing or trying to do. I still can’t understand what the f*** Blake is doing and why he’s doing it.

Trading Vilardi? Shutting guys out from spots? Busting Kaliyevs balls? Playing Byfield at wing with no center position available to him? Drafting Byfield to begin with? Turcotte? PLD? Going into the season last year with no goaltending depth or LD depth? Spending an arm and leg to acquire and retain Gavrikov ?

Blake’s entire MO has been reactionary with no plan it seems.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Hearing Cal on waivers. Any confirmation?

 

[KingsFan7824]

There’s no good logical reasoning why Blake didnt rebuild sooner and rebuilt from the ground up.

Except that he or the franchise didn't want to. That's a logical reason it didn't happen.

I still can’t understand what the f*** Blake is doing and why he’s doing it.

Blake’s entire MO has been reactionary with no plan it seems.

So you might get it? Maybe Blake is just a bad GM, but other than the blip where they unintentionally started to rebuild the cupboard, for what seems to be a last Hail Mary while the decrepit faces of the franchise, whether that youth is here, traded, waived, whatever, all they've been trying to do is make the playoffs. Hope to get hot. Maybe they just want some home playoff money. It is what it is.

Again, there's all the time in the world to rebuild. It didn't and doesn't have to happen in any given year. There's always going to be a new prospect. There's always going to be some potential 1st line guy at the top of a draft.

Maybe Blake ain't the guy to do that. Maybe that's why he was hired. Maybe the whoever calls the shots didn't want to get rid of the you know who's on the roster. If they didn't want to get rid of them, then they didn't want to get rid of them. That's logical. You can disagree with the logic, but it's perfectly acceptable from a "I don't want to get rid of them/they want to be here" scenario.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Except that he or the franchise didn't want to. That's a logical reason it didn't happen.





So you might get it? Maybe Blake is just a bad GM, but other than the blip where they unintentionally started to rebuild the cupboard, for what seems to be a last Hail Mary while the decrepit faces of the franchise, whether that youth is here, traded, waived, whatever, all they've been trying to do is make the playoffs. Hope to get hot. Maybe they just want some home playoff money. It is what it is.

Again, there's all the time in the world to rebuild. It didn't and doesn't have to happen in any given year. There's always going to be a new prospect. There's always going to be some potential 1st line guy at the top of a draft.

Maybe Blake ain't the guy to do that. Maybe that's why he was hired. Maybe the whoever calls the shots didn't want to get rid of the you know who's on the roster. If they didn't want to get rid of them, then they didn't want to get rid of them. That's logical. You can disagree with the logic, but it's perfectly acceptable from a "I don't want to get rid of them/they want to be here" scenario.

Maybe your defense of mediocrity is getting worse over time.

 

[VILARGOD]

Imagine being a rags fan

Your bitter rival picks first overall in 2019

Then, after making the playoffs you some how magically jump 12 spots to draft 1st overall for the first time in franchise history

Pick super hyped consensus #1 prospect in Lafreniere

Turns out to be nearing a complete bust, meanwhile Devils Jack Hughes turns out to be a absolute stud

Play each other in the 2022-23 playoffs and lose