Around the League - Offseason Edition

[francis246]

He told his mentor and Marleau told him not to tell management, management usually creates their own problems by bringing in dogshit leadership cores. It’s a wonder we didn’t have any young players completely flame out under the Lou/Babcock/Marleau “leadership” group, speaks to Rielly and Kadri’s character that they survived Burke/Wilson/Carlyle, the tank years, and the dinosaurs and managed to become good character vets in spite of that.

I don’t think the Burke/Wilson/Carlyle years has bad leadership in the rooms. They just lacked talent really. But my point is, creating a good culture doesn’t always mean players will come to coaches or management with their problems. It’s just the way athletes are, even some withhold pain or injuries to continue playing. I think Jarmo’s comments are fairly true when it comes to modern athlete / GM relationships. Most players are not close with their GM’s, yes some have good relationships. But I don’t think a lot of players trust that management has their best interest in mind, so I could see a lot of athletes not going to management if things like this happen.

 

[Menzinger]

Thing is this isn’t an isolated incident with Babs

Get gets zero benefit if the doubt

Is just wild that all he had to do was not do anything weird and most of the talking heads in the media would have completed his reputation rehab tour for him and he couldn't even wait a few months before doing just that.

Jarmo very lucky to still have a job. But safe to say he's definitely on the thinnest rip as possible of any GM

Edit: typo

 

[Fogelhund]

I don’t know if that’s always true, Matthews got arrested and didn’t tell management and he was given everything. I don’t think that culture is just limited to specific organizations.

I think it’s a problem in sports in general, so many athletes have come forward with things and nothing gets done or the issues get pushed aside or the player gets burried in the minors or cut for bringing something up.

You can have the best culture and players will still often refrain from communicating things to coaches / management.

Which all points to problems. In Matthews case that’s on him and the last that’s on management.

 

[francis246]

Is just wild that all he had to do was not do anything weird and most of the talking heads in the media would have completed his reputation rehab tour for him and he couldn't even wait a few months before doing just that.

Jarmo very lucky to still have a job. But safe to say he's definitely on the finished as possible of any GM

I’d say John Davidson is just about done in hockey. Columbus hasn’t been a winner EVER and As president of hockey ops you have to shut the idea down if the GM presents it to you. I’m not sure how he gave Jarmo the OK for this. Same thing with John McDonough in Chicago, they are at the top of a chain and should be directly handling these issues. It makes you wonder what the hell are presidents of hockey ops good for?!

Cam Neely with the Miller signing as well. If Neely can survive that I’m afraid Jarmo and JD will survive this.

 

[Gabriel426]

I’d say John Davidson is just about done in hockey. Columbus hasn’t been a winner EVER and As president of hockey ops you have to shut the idea down if the GM presents it to you. I’m not sure how he gave Jarmo the OK for this. Same thing with John McDonough in Chicago, they are at the top of a chain and should be directly handling these issues. It makes you wonder what the hell are presidents of hockey ops good for?!

Cam Neely with the Miller signing as well. If Neely can survive that I’m afraid Jarmo and JD will survive this.

The Miller thing was so dumb. They all knew they should not had signed him but still went ahead. They even hoped the players will be behind the signing.
You can't predict Babs will do something this stupid before pre-season.

 

[Menzinger]

 

[Fogelhund]

I see this and think... meh...

We already have a slowing Tavares on the team. Both him and Stamkos are still putting up points, both are slowing, neither are as good off the puck and defensively as they once were. We certainly don't need two players like that. I mean.. .unless we are talking about league minimum contract, or something stupid that seems unlikely. I see him extending with Tampa at some point, unless somehow the team implodes this year, and they decide to go in a different direction... which also seems unlikely.

 

[TheDoldrums]

This perfectly encapsulates the Vancouver Canucks every season.

 

[Menzinger]

I see this and think... meh...

We already have a slowing Tavares on the team. Both him and Stamkos are still putting up points, both are slowing, neither are as good off the puck and defensively as they once were. We certainly don't need two players like that. I mean.. .unless we are talking about league minimum contract, or something stupid that seems unlikely. I see him extending with Tampa at some point, unless somehow the team implodes this year, and they decide to go in a different direction... which also seems unlikely.

Funnily enough a good reminder to Tampa players is that the team-player loyalty relationship is definitely a one way street.

Hopefully their other players took notes and are less quick to cut a discount

 

[Evilhomer]

The truth that no one wants to say out loud is that Tampa shouldn't resign Stamkos. That team isn't close to winning at this point, and whether it's today or two years from now, they will need to move on from Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov and Vasi. The correct organizational move would be to do it now, while those players still have value that can bring back assets. Resigning Stamkos for the sake of saying that he spent his entire career with one team is foolish.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Brandon Kozun just got invited to Colorado's camp. There's a name that I haven't heard in a while. If I recall he was phenomenal in training camp.

 

[Kurtz]

The truth that no one wants to say out loud is that Tampa shouldn't resign Stamkos. That team isn't close to winning at this point, and whether it's today or two years from now, they will need to move on from Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov and Vasi. The correct organizational move would be to do it now, while those players still have value that can bring back assets. Resigning Stamkos for the sake of saying that he spent his entire career with one team is foolish.

I hear what you're putting down, but with a collection of talent like that you gotta go for at least one last ride.

Look at what Boston did last year despite all of their ancients. If their goalie didn't inexplicably fall apart they could have gone all the way.

Plus Tampa has dealt their next two firsts in the Jeannot and Hagel deal so they kinda have no choice but to remain all-in.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Victim blaming....

You know what... Actions have consequences. The actions are those of Babcock's, not the players. The thing is, there is accountability today, at a level people couldn't get away with in the past.

Personally, I don't understand those who voice against accountability. What is it that they are personally scared of being held accountable for, that makes them rally against it?

You cheapen the word victim when you use it in this case.

Who was a victim of what? A couple millionaire hockey players were foolish enough to give someone their phones. They were inconvenienced when he didn't give it back right away.

I really hope they can recover from this.

Poor little rich hockey players. Should we hold a candle light vigil? Maybe send some e-hugs their way?

This isn't a defense of Babcock either.

The guy is clearly a complete asshat who got what he deserved. I think everyone looks bad here including the players. They have proper channels to follow when wanting to report a concern like this.

Instead they went to a podcast looking for headlines

Invoking a victims mentality doesn't cut it. Not when the players made everyone, including the team they play for, and even the NHL itself, look the fool by running to that idiot podcaster. This was a hit job on a goof for a coach that nobody wanted in the NHL anymore.

Babcock is swimming with the fishes.

 

[geo25]

Remember when he didn't let Spezza play for his family and friends after buying a couple hundred tickets...

I think he also refused to let one of the players reach his 1500 games played or something too...

yea, he's an ass.

It was Mike Modano.

 

[MCR74]

So Sanderson apparently took a discount to sign with the Sens. How in the world is he worth more than $8M after a year in the league?

 

[Peasy]

So Sanderson apparently took a discount to sign with the Sens. How in the world is he worth more than $8M after a year in the league?

If he didn't sign this summer, has a big year and emerges as ottawas #1 D, then he likely could ask for even more.

IMO hes already better than Chabot (in terms of overall impact) and he basically took his deal (technically less in terms of cap hit %).

Look at what Werenski got, McAvoy etc. Yeah they took bridges and then got paid, but I see Sanderson having similar impacts of those players possibly by 2024-2025 (Werenski for sure, maybe not quite McAvoy level yet).

I can see his deal looking like Jack Hughes/Stutzle type of steal rather soon.

I've been super high on Sanderson dating back to his draft year though. If he truly wanted to maximize his earnings he would have waited to sign imo, but it is really tough to pass up 64m at that age.

 

[Fogelhund]

You cheapen the word victim when you use it in this case.

Who was a victim of what? A couple millionaire hockey players were foolish enough to give someone their phones. They were inconvenienced when he didn't give it back right away.

I really hope they can recover from this.

Poor little rich hockey players. Should we hold a candle light vigil? Maybe send some e-hugs their way?

This isn't a defense of Babcock either.

The guy is clearly a complete asshat who got what he deserved. I think everyone looks bad here including the players. They have proper channels to follow when wanting to report a concern like this.

Instead they went to a podcast looking for headlines

Invoking a victims mentality doesn't cut it. Not when the players made everyone, including the team they play for, and even the NHL itself, look the fool by running to that idiot podcaster. This was a hit job on a goof for a coach that nobody wanted in the NHL anymore.

Babcock is swimming with the fishes.

Just weird thinking. They have money, who cares what happens to them... they are rich, so they don't deserve to be treated with respect, or within the law.

Yup, victim blaming... pointing out what the victims did wrong, blaming them for how the source came out. Maybe if the the team didn't have a situation where even the GM isn't trusted, they could have gone to a proper source... The team, and league need to look into why this organization is so dysfunctional. They need to look inwards, and find solutions so that players can trust a source to go to, so that better options are communicated. That this player, or players ended up with this option, points strictly to organizational issues, which is no shock with hockey.

That someone looks at this, repeatedly NEEDS to point out what the victim did wrong, and trivializes it, because they are well paid, points to internal depravations.

 

[Evilhomer]

I hear what you're putting down, but with a collection of talent like that you gotta go for at least one last ride.

Look at what Boston did last year despite all of their ancients. If their goalie didn't inexplicably fall apart they could have gone all the way.

Plus Tampa has dealt their next two firsts in the Jeannot and Hagel deal so they kinda have no choice but to remain all-in.

I think it can work if Stamkos (or anyone in his position) would resign a series of one year deals for a few years so that the team can evaluate its salary situation each year, but my guess is that he wants longer than a one year deal.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think it can work if Stamkos (or anyone in his position) would resign a series of one year deals for a few years so that the team can evaluate its salary situation each year, but my guess is that he wants longer than a one year deal.

One thing we know he wants, is at least a discussion... and that hasn't even happened.

 

[Menzinger]

 

[BallardEra]

SIMMONS: Jon Cooper on the Lightning, Leafs and the Atlantic Division

Coach Jon Cooper takes us around the Atlantic Division, team by team, with his thoughts on the coming season.

torontosun.com

 

[BertCorbeau]

SIMMONS: Jon Cooper on the Lightning, Leafs and the Atlantic Division

Coach Jon Cooper takes us around the Atlantic Division, team by team, with his thoughts on the coming season.

torontosun.com

… I have a hard time believing Cooper said that.. it’s honest and complimentary

 

[Da Cool Rula]

… I have a hard time believing Cooper said that.. it’s honest and complimentary

Thx for sharing that article very nice. Now Jon come coach the Leafs.

 

[horner]

Hockey is back tonight at midnight
LA vs Coyotes

 

[ACC1224]

Hockey is back tonight at midnight
LA vs Coyotes

I wouldn't watch the Coyotes in prime time, never mind midnight.