Around the League - Offseason Edition

[Antropovsky]

A team that gets Marner of an offersheet is probably not picking in the top 16 at any point in the 4 years.

What are the odds you can get a player as good as Marner in the back half of the 1st, even if you got 4 shots at it. And the Leafs are still good enough without him that they themselves won't be a high end lottery team so getting a top 5 is unrealistic, unless you're trading 3+ firsts just to move up. like 10 - 15 spots.

Offersheets at the highest level should focus on quality not quantity. And since that is basically impossible I honestly think that offer sheets should not be allowed above a certain $$ level, like 7m.

This is beyond the point. A poster blamed Matthews grees for the leafs cap situation. Matthews didn't use the RFA period as leverage. If he did, he would've been paid way more.

Tavares definitely took a pay cut to come to Toronto.

Marner was the only player (except Nylander) to use the RFA period as leverage. And he made a spectacle of it. His agent said he wanted to be like his teammates, not like other NHL comparables. At that time he was not worth the same money (which he got) on shorter term than 28 year old, center, former captain, former 1st overall pick, and two time hart finalist Tavares.

And at that time he wasn't worth the same as Matthews, who was pacing Marner but was playing with 3rd line players Johnsson, Kapanen and Marleau, while Marner was with Tavares and Hyman. How many points would Marner have put up with Kapanen, Marleau and Johnsson?

It's certainly not fair to group Matthews or Tavares with Marner. We should praise Matthews if anything. If he wanted the most money he could get, he could have gotten more.

Agreed that getting 4 firsts isn't ideal for the Leafs, especially considering they were hoping to challenge for the cup. This thought was probably considered by Marners team.

 

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Connor McDavid is getting roasted by fans for his NHL-released headshot | Offside

Edmonton Oilers forward Connor McDavid may be the best hockey player in the world, but that didn't stop fans from poking fun at him today.

dailyhive.com

 

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[LaPlante94]

This entire thing has been confusing. Both Jenner and Gaudreau have come out and said it's being made a big deal over nothing and even Kadri said the same thing. Makes you think either these players are lying, but idk why they'd do that and make a public statement if they could easily get rid of him by saying it was a big deal. So either players are lying about it not being a big deal or there's players who have a grudge against Babcock and trying to get him fired before the season even starts. Guess we'll find out after this in person meeting and get some actual answers.

Connor McDavid is getting roasted by fans for his NHL-released headshot | Offside

Edmonton Oilers forward Connor McDavid may be the best hockey player in the world, but that didn't stop fans from poking fun at him today.

dailyhive.com

lol not gonna lie, but that phot shopped bald pic actually doesn't look too bad on him.

 

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[dangomon]

This entire thing has been confusing. Both Jenner and Gaudreau have come out and said it's being made a big deal over nothing and even Kadri said the same thing. Makes you think either these players are lying, but idk why they'd do that and make a public statement if they could easily get rid of him by saying it was a big deal. So either players are lying about it not being a big deal or there's players who have a grudge against Babcock and trying to get him fired before the season even starts. Guess we'll find out after this in person meeting and get some actual answers.


lol not gonna lie, but that phot shopped bald pic actually doesn't look too bad on him.

Or it's one of those things that may seem totally innocent to some, but could feel entirely different (and inappropriate) to others. Maybe some felt more forced by a person in power, or for any number of personal reasons was more hesitant to share intimate details but were 'forced'.

I have no idea where this lands, but a few people saying they enjoyed the experience doesn't mean there aren't others who disagree.

These things aren't one-size-fits-all.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Or it's one of those things that may seem totally innocent to some, but could feel entirely different (and inappropriate) to others. Maybe some felt more forced by a person in power, or for any number of personal reasons was more hesitant to share intimate details but were 'forced'.

I have no idea where this lands, but a few people saying they enjoyed the experience doesn't mean there aren't others who disagree.

These things aren't one-size-fits-all.

To me it simply seems that this is about a handful of former players who have a serious dislike for Babcock that are blowing the story way out of proportion than it is.

A teacher asks our kids to bring in some photos of themselves and their family and pets and what they did over the summer as a way for them and their classmates to get to know them, and no one bats an eye. A coach asks the same of his players as a way to get to know them outside of the rink, and people want him fired before he even coached a game.

 

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[Divine]

Things not looking so good for Babcock

NHL, NHLPA meet to discuss Mike Babcock photo investigation

The NHL and NHLPA have a previously scheduled meeting on Friday morning, which now is expected to include the next steps in the Mike Babcock photo investigation.

www.sportsnet.ca

• Marty Walsh and NHLPA Assistant Executive Director Ron Hainsey met with Blue Jackets players in Columbus, a meeting described by several sources as “intense.” On Tuesday, when the story broke from Paul Bissonnette on the Spittin' Chiclets podcast, both the NHL and NHLPA initially were satisfied with the explanations from Boone Jenner and Johnny Gaudreau. However, it appears things changed for both later that night when information was received that some of the younger Blue Jackets were uncomfortable with what had occurred. That appears to be the major focus of the investigation.

 

[LeafSteel]

ZAR on PTO with Carolina.

.Hurricanes sign former Maple Leafs center to PTO

 

[IPS]

People were a little to heavy on the "innocent until proven guilty" with Babcock and I totally get that, but with history this guy has of doing crap like that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt so quickly.

 

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People were a little to heavy on the "innocent until proven guilty" with Babcock and I totally get that, but with history this guy has of doing crap like that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt so quickly.

Also a lot of people taking a PR statement as fact.

 

[Menzinger]

The story isn't going away just yet, though there's still a lot of unknowns with it. A pity for Jacket fans having to go through this before the season even starts

 

[Burnie97]

The whole thing with Babcock to some may seem like nothing... but personally I think it's odd your coach at any level of hockey ... or any work place wants to go through your phone to see pictures of your family etc.

It'd be one thing if you're going oh yeah coach look at this great pic of my family and you offer it up to be seen. It's another when by the sounds of it he's asking.

It's just f***ing odd. Along with the other things he's done in the past. I'm not saying it's nesscarily coming from a bad place on purpose but Babcock seems out of touch to say the least.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

I believe this has become an issue because of who it is. If he was a likeable guy and/or didn’t do those nutty things in the past this wouldn’t have been much of a story & more people would say what’s wrong with that..

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I believe this has become an issue because of who it is. If he was a likeable guy and/or didn’t do those nutty things in the past this wouldn’t have been much of a story & more people would say what’s wrong with that..

Precisely.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I believe this has become an issue because of who it is. If he was a likeable guy and/or didn’t do those nutty things in the past this wouldn’t have been much of a story & more people would say what’s wrong with that..

If Babcock demanded phones from his players and went through their pictures, then yes, that is an invasion of privacy. Not a scandal. Not anything close to a scandal. But still worthy of the nhlpa stepping in and telling Babs he can't do that. Nothing more.

But I highly doubt it's even that. It seems he just asked if he could see some pictures of his players families and interests. And a few privileged adult entitled millionaires felt... GASP... "uncomfortable" about it.

Like, how did we get here?

Has anybody on these forums ever experienced any real problems or trauma? I doubt it. Seems to be all young privileged middle class kids who have things like "And I didn't even get to go to my favourite restaurant" listed as the worst day of their lives.

For freaking adults with real life experiences, a coach trying to get to know his players by asking to see some family pictures is not "abuse". I'm almost speechless here. I can't believe I even had to write that sentence.

 

[Stephen]

Dahlin appears to be pushing 5 years while the Sabres want 8, and the player is unhappy. Maybe this is the dawn of that new economic era of superstar empowerment Dubas prophesized half a decade ago.

 

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[Fogelhund]

If Babcock demanded phones from his players and went through their pictures, then yes, that is an invasion of privacy. Not a scandal. Not anything close to a scandal. But still worthy of the nhlpa stepping in and telling Babs he can't do that. Nothing more.

But I highly doubt it's even that. It seems he just asked if he could see some pictures of his players families and interests. And a few privileged adult entitled millionaires felt... GASP... "uncomfortable" about it.

Like, how did we get here?

Has anybody on these forums ever experienced any real problems or trauma? I doubt it. Seems to be all young privileged middle class kids who have things like "And I didn't even get to go to my favourite restaurant" listed as the worst day of their lives.

For freaking adults with real life experiences, a coach trying to get to know his players by asking to see some family pictures is not "abuse". I'm almost speechless here. I can't believe I even had to write that sentence.

It's against US employment law, for Babcock to DEMAND to look through their personal phones. He can ask, and they can refuse, but if he DEMANDED, than he's broken employment laws, and there will be consequences.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

It's against US employment law, for Babcock to DEMAND to look through their personal phones. He can ask, and they can refuse, but if he DEMANDED, than he's broken employment laws, and there will be consequences.

Sure. If he demanded to look through his players phones, I'm ok with him being fired if it's against employment law. Whatever. The law is the law.

I really REALLY doubt that is the case though. Time will tell I guess.

 

[Fogelhund]

I really REALLY doubt that is the case though. Time will tell I guess.

Based upon what evidence, do you REALLY doubt that is the case? As far as I can tell, there is no public evidence either way. If you listen to what Dreger said this morning, it's clear there is something of concern there.. listen to it... the NHLPA looked into it, and it now requires meetings with the NHL.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Based upon what evidence, do you REALLY doubt that is the case? As far as I can tell, there is no public evidence either way. If you listen to what Dreger said this morning, it's clear there is something of concern there.. listen to it... the NHLPA looked into it, and it now requires meetings with the NHL.

Because Babcock isn't stupid. Far from it. He's trying to restart his career and openly stated that he's going to adjust his coaching tactics to the modern world.

He would have to literally be a crazy person to, in his situation, demand his players unlock their phones and hand them over to him to dig through.

There's no POSSIBLE way that's what's happened. None.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Time will tell I suppose.

 

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