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Fuhrious said:
And Bedard on that dumpster fire of a roster handily outscores the Kraken’s highest, McCann
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That team is terrible. No one on that team who has played more than 15 games this season has a positive +/-. Bedard is the third worst in that stat, though; worst +/—is -27, Bedard is at -22.

Bedard also has 9 more points than his closest teammate. Asking a 19-year-old to carry such a bad team is just unfair.
 
I agree! And somehow he's still got more points than the Kraken's highest scorer! It's crazy!
 
Welp I’ve got no interest in the 4 Nations stuff so unless something specific to the Kraken happens I’ll see y’all in a couple weeks!
 
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Ngl it's been hard to tune out the 4 Nations crap, entirely because of the antics of the US team and Trump-simping Bill Guerin. Guess it's cool when they do it but when it's Kaepernick it's time to clutch pearls and "keep politics out of sports"? Shameless, specifically the Tkachuk brothers. Big shocker, the sovereign country our president is "joking" about annexing boo's our anthem (why are we still playing national anthem's at sporting events?). Big shocker there.

Legitimately makes me embarrassed to be an American, and can't wait for this ridiculous "tournament" to end.

f*** Bill Guerin and the Tkachuk brothers, sincerely a US Army vet.
 
The Tkachuk brothers did the sport a favor and got it LOADS of global attention. That's all it was actually about... well, they may have gotten a few "lulz" from it, though. Almost nobody cared about this tournament until they did what they did, now people who didn't care about hockey care. I'm not going to complain.

Note: I do not follow politics, so do not confuse my approval of the Tkachuk's actions as anything political or approval of anything political, but I am totally glad they did it, because people suddenly care a great deal about the sport I love and nobody got genuinely hurt.
 
The Marquis said:
The Tkachuk brothers did the sport a favor and got it LOADS of global attention. That's all it was actually about... well, they may have gotten a few "lulz" from it, though. Almost nobody cared about this tournament until they did what they did, now people who didn't care about hockey care. I'm not going to complain.

Note: I do not follow politics, so do not confuse my approval of the Tkachuk's actions as anything political or approval of anything political, but I am totally glad they did it, because people suddenly care a great deal about the sport I love and nobody got genuinely hurt.
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This.

To me, this is something like Taylor Swift going to watch the Chiefs games. I am not a fan of the Chiefs or Taylor, but I do appreciate the new audience she has garnered for the sport. Heck, even my wife talked about it and she has no interest in hockey. Or sports really.

The politics crap is something that came after that fact and nothing to do with the Tkachuk's really.
 
Fistfullofbeer said:
This.

To me, this is something like Taylor Swift going to watch the Chiefs games. I am not a fan of the Chiefs or Taylor, but I do appreciate the new audience she has garnered for the sport. Heck, even my wife talked about it and she has no interest in hockey. Or sports really.

The politics crap is something that came after that fact and nothing to do with the Tkachuk's really.
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Neither of you saw their post game press session where they were asked about the booing, I take it?
 
Fuhrious said:
Neither of you saw their post game press session where they were asked about the booing, I take it?
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No, the only post-game press conferences I watch are after Kraken games and after the Stanley Cup Finals games. That's about it. But even then, it did something for the sport for sure, and I'll be damned if it didn't energize Canadian hockey fans for the first time in a while.
 
Well, I am going to be glued to the screen tomorrow. Even a couple people I know who don't like hockey are going to do likewise. In a way it is unfortunate that a not especially meaningful tournament has taken on this kind of political baggage. On the other hand, what a jolt of adrenaline it has given this thing. It is a just a dumb hockey game--one could argue as it has no consequence on anything, that it is an especially dumb hockey game--but the overwhelming majority of us up here are looking for every way we can to rally round our flag at the moment, and this game provides a handy opportunity. Funny, because three weeks ago I couldn't even be bothered to find out when the tournament was going to be played.
 
kihei said:
Well, I am going to be glued to the screen tomorrow. Even a couple people I know who don't like hockey are going to do likewise. In a way it is unfortunate that a not especially meaningful tournament has taken on this kind of political baggage. On the other hand, what a jolt of adrenaline it has given this thing. It is a just a dumb hockey game--one could argue as it has no consequence on anything, that it is an especially dumb hockey game--but the overwhelming majority of us up here are looking for every way we can to rally round our flag at the moment, and this game provides a handy opportunity. Funny, because three weeks ago I couldn't even be bothered to find out when the tournament was going to be played.
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Yeah, all it took was 9 seconds to turn a meaningless tournament from one that almost nobody cared about to one that's got more buzz than many recent Stanley Cup finals. Too bad the other major tournaments aren't run by the NHL.
 
The Marquis said:
Yeah, all it took was 9 seconds to turn a meaningless tournament from one that almost nobody cared about to one that's got more buzz than many recent Stanley Cup finals. Too bad the other major tournaments aren't run by the NHL.
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I had negative interest in this tournament but like many I changed my mind. Maybe it's not so interesting to NHL die hards, but for casuals and kids (also in Europe) the tournament has proved very important to stoke interest in the sport.
 
It seems the pressure has gone up a notch today. To me the game has come to carry a lot more political baggage and nationalist fervour than it should, than is healthy. It definitely ups the ante by heating up patriotic feelings, but I don't think much good ever comes of that regardless of who wins the game.
 
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kihei said:
It seems the pressure has gone up a notch today. To me the game has come to carry a lot more political baggage and nationalist fervour than it should, than is healthy. It definitely ups the ante by heating up patriotic feelings, but I don't think much good ever comes of that regardless of who wins the game.
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Yeah. It went over the fun line into the no-fun zone.
 
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It's kinda hard not to wonder if something is "off" about Carolina? They got right up to the edge of being an elite team, couldn't quite manage to get over the hump, and now star-tier players are basically saying " I don't want to re-sign here" and forcing the team's hand to trade them to recoup value? I feel like I've half heard that the owner is a) on the more "engaged" side and b) a bit of a loudmouth tool, I wonder if they've got weird FO level culture issues?
 
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Fuhrious said:
It's kinda hard not to wonder if something is "off" about Carolina? They got right up to the edge of being an elite team, couldn't quite manage to get over the hump, and now star-tier players are basically saying " I don't want to re-sign here" and forcing the team's hand to trade them to recoup value? I feel like I've half heard that the owner is a) on the more "engaged" side and b) a bit of a loudmouth tool, I wonder if they've got weird FO level culture issues?
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I also think that Brind'Amour's non-stop energy approach isn't for everyone and/or gets tiresome after a while.
 
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Fuhrious said:
It's kinda hard not to wonder if something is "off" about Carolina? They got right up to the edge of being an elite team, couldn't quite manage to get over the hump, and now star-tier players are basically saying " I don't want to re-sign here" and forcing the team's hand to trade them to recoup value? I feel like I've half heard that the owner is a) on the more "engaged" side and b) a bit of a loudmouth tool, I wonder if they've got weird FO level culture issues?
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It's strange to me too, because despite recouping the nice-sounding pair of first rounders and a good player in Stankoven...are they a better team now? I don't think so, and this should be their time to absolutely be going for it.
 
sigma six said:
It's strange to me too, because despite recouping the nice-sounding pair of first rounders and a good player in Stankoven...are they a better team now? I don't think so, and this should be their time to absolutely be going for it.
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I dunno, but then I’m personally pretty high on Stankoven. That combined with Rantanen playing like cheeks the last 5 or 6 games and I think it’s a net sidegrade?
 
Fuhrious said:
I dunno, but then I’m personally pretty high on Stankoven. That combined with Rantanen playing like cheeks the last 5 or 6 games and I think it’s a net sidegrade?
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They really need healthy goaltending and a clear cut number one to emerge. Andersen can be great, but he too often blows out a knee or hip brushing his teeth.
 
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Fuhrious said:
I dunno, but then I’m personally pretty high on Stankoven. That combined with Rantanen playing like cheeks the last 5 or 6 games and I think it’s a net sidegrade?
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Stankoven is definitely going to have a great career in this league, and he's just getting started - can't put him on the level of either Necas or Rantanen yet, though. The trade will pay dividends in the future but while you have prime Aho and Slavin you have to figure their time is now.

Which sucks for Carolina, that it turns out Rantanen had no intention of staying. The whole thing became damage control after that. Granted they were well compensated by Dallas.
 
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How are the Penguins so bad this year. I know they have a lot of older players but Crosby, Rust, Karlsson have all been good (statistically). Malik and Letang have taken a step back for Rakell has done well for them. Is this just the lack of defense and goaltending?
 
Fistfullofbeer said:
How are the Penguins so bad this year. I know they have a lot of older players but Crosby, Rust, Karlsson have all been good (statistically). Malik and Letang have taken a step back for Rakell has done well for them. Is this just the lack of defense and goaltending?
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It’s astounding to me. Crosby leads the NHL in 5 on 5 points, but whether they’re a one line team where everyone else got really slow, the goalies forgot how to stop pucks, and the D forgot how to prevent the goalies from being hung out to dry, they should still be somewhat competitive.
After the Four Nations Cup the Pens gave up 25 goals in the first five games.
 
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