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Herby
How could Blake have known?
I understand where you are coming from striving for more of a homerun type where they were picking but considering they ended up with QB and Vilardi came back it’s not the end of the world having a higher floor lower ceiling guy in that spot. Cozens was one of those guys the Kings had historically drafted and most of the time it turned out poorly.
As for Seider, ya doubt the Wings would consider moving him. It’s funny how they got grilled for the pick when he was taken and since then he’s been pretty amazing. Hopefully the Kings can find a defenseman like that in this years draft.
Trade Turcotte? f*** that. The kid is an absolute warrior. He would make any sacrifice to win the game. Injury risk be damned, we are going to war, get that kid ready and on the front lines ASAP. We should know from experience by now who can carry a team the full distance. This kid is captain material. I want someone that is going to lead us to cups, not a President's Trophy. Get him on the team and under Dustin Brown's wing ASAP.
I’ll take Turcotte every time. We all know at this point what it takes to win cups, he’s got it.
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Willie Mitchell was great for us. But come on, is anyone seriously going to take Willie Mitchell over Mike Richards?!?
KingsFan7824
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There's no reason to trade Turcotte. Not yet anyway. If there's a top pair defenseman out there, nobody is going to trade him for Turcotte. Maybe for McDavid, but even he isn't a 1 man team. True top defensemen are just too valuable.
First the Kings need to know what they have. We don't know what Turcotte is yet. So many guys that we're all counting on have yet to play a second of NHL hockey. The team is likely years away from fine tuning the roster.
First the Kings need to know what they have. We don't know what Turcotte is yet. So many guys that we're all counting on have yet to play a second of NHL hockey. The team is likely years away from fine tuning the roster.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Are you asking if I am taking Seider over Turcotte?
I don’t think there is a person at this board who would have wanted that on June 21st 2019. On January 5th 2021? With the current Kings prospect pool? I don’t that there should be a person who wouldn’t. Not a knock on Turcotte but Seider has just played at a much higher level since then. But that is hindsight, Blake took the person who almost everyone here wanted and the guy most people thought was BPA. Seider was a huge reach who is looking like a steal.
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I think the better name would be Doughty. You're not trading Turcotte for less than a potential top end dman, who isn't 8 years older than he is. Would you rather have Richards or Doughty?
Stop trading the kids before they can legally buy me a cocktail please!
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Yeah, i agree. But the poster i was responding to is the one who referenced Willie Mitchell with Seider. I don't know Seiders game from Willie Wonka. Since he brought up WM as the specific comp, i'm taking MR > WM every day. Now if he said Seider was DD, then that's a 180 change -- i'd definitely take DD > MR.
BigKing
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Why shouldn't the Kings be interested? They can't just stockpile picks and prospects forever and hope they all pan out. He's only 22 years old and doesn't turn 23 until after the season. 60 point C and possibly climbing. Small sample size but he was dragging that CBJ team through the "playoffs" last season. Fills a hole in the age range where the Kings are thin as a 2016 draftee. Has two years at $5MM and then will need a big contract but $14MM of Brown/Carter/Maata are off the books that summer.
This isn't a case of jumping too soon but rather acquiring someone that helps immediately and can easily be part of what is being built here.
Question is at what cost. Imagine they would ask for one of Vilardi or Turcotte for starters. Rough but at some point Blake is going to have to make a one in the hand is worth more than two in the bush type of deal.
He'd be a building block and he is a known quantity v. the only thing that Blake is holding right now: potential. Capitalizing on another team's idiocy or misfortune is one of the reasons to keep your cap low and build a deep prospect pool. As Gob Bluth says "It's called taking advantage. It's how you get ahead in life."
This isn't a case of jumping too soon but rather acquiring someone that helps immediately and can easily be part of what is being built here.
Question is at what cost. Imagine they would ask for one of Vilardi or Turcotte for starters. Rough but at some point Blake is going to have to make a one in the hand is worth more than two in the bush type of deal.
He'd be a building block and he is a known quantity v. the only thing that Blake is holding right now: potential. Capitalizing on another team's idiocy or misfortune is one of the reasons to keep your cap low and build a deep prospect pool. As Gob Bluth says "It's called taking advantage. It's how you get ahead in life."
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Good post (as usual), but I still think they are a year or 2 away from trading for a guy like that. They’ll also probably have a better idea of what they truly have in QB, Turcotte, Kaliyev etc.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Agree, right now they're all just lottery tickets, I don't agree with 'filling slots' at this point, we're still a couple of years away from that, even though as BigKing points out PLD is an age we don't have on this team.
But I also don't think we're the 'big market' he's looking for.
Lt Dan
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BigKing
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Thanks for the plug: feeling is mutual.
You are correct about having a better idea of what they have but that might be players that aren't as good as PLD. It took Brayden Schenn six seasons after the Richards trade to put up comparable numbers to PLD and Schenn was the top rated prospect in the world at the time of the trade, if I'm not mistaken. O'Sullivan for Justin Williams? Same type of thing with potential v. proven track record. It is easier to "give up" on the potential when you are sitting on young versions of 11/8/32 but this would be different--depending on the price--since PLD would plug in right away as the Kopitar-like building piece for Blake instead of hoping that the same player is already in the pool.
It is always frightening to trade high potential guys--especially in a cap world--for older talent but it doesn't scare me as much when it is for someone like PLD who is still so young. Still, it takes balls to do it because you might look foolish later on.
The easy thing for Blake is to just continue to sit on his hands for the most part and play out the year. I know that is the plan and I am fine with it but he better be kicking the tires when top-shelf talent that is closer to 20 than 30 might be available.
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Dubois will need another new contract, working from a base of $5m, before Turcotte needs his first new contract coming off an ELC.
If this was still about Brown, Carter, and Quick, sure, try to make a deal. Just not much reason to trade a younger C for an older one yet though. Older by only a few years, and certainly not old, but that contract difference is significant.
If this was still about Brown, Carter, and Quick, sure, try to make a deal. Just not much reason to trade a younger C for an older one yet though. Older by only a few years, and certainly not old, but that contract difference is significant.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Is it?
I would imagine it's hard as shit to enter the season with this roster when sitting on so many assets. Especially when he's starting to enter the hot seat years.
I said before I actually think it takes brass balls to be this patient.
As of this most recent offseason as reported by Friedman, Blake was telling teams that the timing was not right. A couple months won't change that. There are too many holes and question marks.
We don't know which of these prospects will meet expectations and which ones will fall short.
We don't know which of these prospects will meet expectations and which ones will fall short.
BigKing
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The seat isn't hot if everyone is on board with staying the course. I'm sure ownership is even more all about not spending money due to the pandemic.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Probably true. I just disagree that the 'easy' thing to do right now is stay the course/sit on hands when you have lottery picks hanging out in the lobby.
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With Phaneuf and Kovalchuk coming off next summer and the cupboard fully stocked now, the Kings have mammoth money to spend, and I have no doubt at all that their first rounder will be in play for a high profile RFA.
They have zero need for a center, but they can go big game hunting for a top scoring winger or left shot PP defenseman.
I'm all for the latter. If they can land an absolutely anchor for that 2nd pairing for the long haul, you definitely do it. In my eyes, Roy and Walker have shown they can pull their weight and Anderson looks awfully solid. You have Doughty, Bjornfot, and Maatta (for a couple years.) Clague is going to get games, and MacD will be around. There are a lot of variables but if the third pairing in a couple years is a combo of Roy/Walker/Anderson, that's a legit group.
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