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Around the League 45: The Stanley Cup is in God's Waiting Room

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DaveG said:
In terms of sheer points percentage over that time it's Boston, then Colorado, then us, by a very comfortable margin (only 3 teams with over 500 points in that time span). Florida and Tampa are 5 and 6 but both belong since they've both won the whole damn thing in that timespan.

Leafs are 4th but a huge outlier in terms of post-season success compared to literally everyone else in the top 10 to the point that I would put them firmly in the 10 hole (Edmonton, NYR, Vegas, Dallas 7-10 in order in terms of pt%), mind you Edmonton was last year away from being below the Leafs in that regard for me considering that the path in their division is Charmin soft until the 2nd round.
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Could somebody who has more of the data readily manipulable do something like rank teams by both regular season and playoff wins, and then weight both of those equally in a composite ranking? Would be interesting to see where that lands. Even if we haven't won the Cup we've got to be right near the very top of the list on overall playoff wins, and we're obviously right near the top on overall regular season wins as well.
 
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cptjeff said:
Could somebody who has more of the data readily manipulable do something like rank teams by both regular season and playoff wins, and then weight both of those equally in a composite ranking? Would be interesting to see where that lands. Even if we haven't won the Cup we've got to be right near the very top of the list on overall playoff wins, and we're obviously right near the top on overall regular season wins as well.
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I could plug it in with the raw data, but question is how to weight the post-season games in terms of points in that regard. Keeping it simple and just going by record:

regular season (note, due to 2019-20 not all teams have the same games played)
1 - Boston 240-88-44 524
2 - Colorado 238-101-33 509
3 - Carolina 232-101-37 501
4 - Toronto 221-107-44 486
5 - Florida 224-114-33 481
6 - Tampa 221-120-31 473
7 - Edmonton 220-121-32 472
8 - Vegas 218-120-35 471
9 - Rangers 218-120-34 470
10 - Dallas 205-115-51 460

Postseason totals:
Boston: 5-5, 6-5, 3-4, 3-4, 6-7 - 23-25 (46 points)
Colorado: 7-5, 6-4, 16-4, 3-4, 6-5 - 38-22
Carolina: 4-4, 7-8, 7-7, 8-7, 6-5 - 32-31
Toronto: 2-3, 3-4, 3-4, 5-6, 3-4 - 16-21
Florida: 1-3, 2-4, 4-6, 13-8, 16-8 - 36-29
Tampa: 16-6, 16-7, 14-7, 2-4, 1-4 - 49-28
Edmonton: 1-3, 0-4, 8-8, 6-6, 15-10 - 30-31
Vegas: 9-8, 10-9, DNQ, 16-6, 3-4 - 38-27
NYR: 0-3, DNQ, 12-8, 3-4, 10-6 - 25-21
Dallas: 14-10, DNQ, 3-4, 10-9, 10-7 - 37-30

combined
1 - Colorado 585
2 - Tampa 571
3 - Boston 570
4 - Carolina 565
5 - Florida 553
6 - Vegas 547
7 - Dallas 534
8 - Edmonton 532
9 - Rangers 520
10 - Toronto 518

so #4 but we're miles away from being out of the top 5 by the numbers. Tampa's the interesting one because that's the timespan where they clearly went DGAF about the regular season (and taking LTIR shenanigans to the next level) and just get to the post-season and go from there, and it worked for them going from over 50! points behind Boston in the regular season standings in that time to just ahead of them with the post-season records accounted for. And that list would check out for me, that would probably be my top 5 as well with MAYBE switching around Vegas and Florida. Colorado and Tampa is arguable as well because Colorado's been more consistent but 3 Cup Finals is 3 Cup Finals.
 
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DaveG said:
I could plug it in with the raw data, but question is how to weight the post-season games in terms of points in that regard. Keeping it simple and just going by record:

regular season (note, due to 2019-20 not all teams have the same games played)
1 - Boston 240-88-44 524
2 - Colorado 238-101-33 509
3 - Carolina 232-101-37 501
4 - Toronto 221-107-44 486
5 - Florida 224-114-33 481
6 - Tampa 221-120-31 473
7 - Edmonton 220-121-32 472
8 - Vegas 218-120-35 471
9 - Rangers 218-120-34 470
10 - Dallas 205-115-51 460

Postseason totals:
Boston: 5-5, 6-5, 3-4, 3-4, 6-7 - 23-25 (46 points)
Colorado: 7-5, 6-4, 16-4, 3-4, 6-5 - 38-22
Carolina: 4-4, 7-8, 7-7, 8-7, 6-5 - 32-31
Toronto: 2-3, 3-4, 3-4, 5-6, 3-4 - 16-21
Florida: 1-3, 2-4, 4-6, 13-8, 16-8 - 36-29
Tampa: 16-6, 16-7, 14-7, 2-4, 1-4 - 49-28
Edmonton: 1-3, 0-4, 8-8, 6-6, 15-10 - 30-31
Vegas: 9-8, 10-9, DNQ, 16-6, 3-4 - 38-27
NYR: 0-3, DNQ, 12-8, 3-4, 10-6 - 25-21
Dallas: 14-10, DNQ, 3-4, 10-9, 10-7 - 37-30

combined
1 - Colorado 585
2 - Tampa 571
3 - Boston 570
4 - Carolina 565
5 - Florida 553
6 - Vegas 547
7 - Dallas 534
8 - Edmonton 532
9 - Rangers 520
10 - Toronto 518

so #4 but we're miles away from being out of the top 5 by the numbers. Tampa's the interesting one because that's the timespan where they clearly went DGAF about the regular season (and taking LTIR shenanigans to the next level) and just get to the post-season and go from there, and it worked for them going from over 50! points behind Boston in the regular season standings in that time to just ahead of them with the post-season records accounted for. And that list would check out for me, that would probably be my top 5 as well with MAYBE switching around Vegas and Florida. Colorado and Tampa is arguable as well because Colorado's been more consistent but 3 Cup Finals is 3 Cup Finals.
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Kinda forgot Dallas made the Cup finals, with that in mind I'm fine with them being ahead of us. But yeah we should 100% be ahead of NYR. Boston interestingly enough is closer to the Leafs than us in terms of playoff success the last 5 years. Obviously extend a year and they were in game 7 in the Cup finals but it's last 5 not last 6 lol.
 
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Nah Dallas made it to one finals (one of the goofy Covid years at that) and lost. The year after that they missed altogether and were bounced in the first round after that. They made the conference finals twice the next two years which surely isn’t nothing but the early exits/missing drops them below a team that won a round every year in that span, to me
 
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DaveG said:
I could plug it in with the raw data, but question is how to weight the post-season games in terms of points in that regard.
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That's what I'm saying, don't try to do that, run those independently, then give each list equal weight- you can just add the rank numbers together. Based on total # of playoff wins (in cases of a tie here I used fewer losses as a tiebreak) and regular season rank.

That gives us:

1. Colorado (Summed rank of 4)
2. Tampa (7)
3. Carolina (9)
4(T): Boston (10)
4(T): Florida (10)
6. Vegas (11)
7(T): Toronto (14)
7(T): Edmonton (14)
7(T): Dallas (14)
10: Rangers (17)

Figure out a reasonable tiebreaker on the combined list (right now that order has a tiebreaker of regular season rank based on the order the teams were on on my scratchpad) and that's not a bad way to look at it.
 
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Are the Kings legit (
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I liked what they were building there for a while, but they tried to jump-start it with the PLD trade and it blew up in their face like everyone was expecting with that malcontent. Not sure they'll recover from that to become the contender I was expecting them to turn into.
 
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Sad day in the hockey world 😢 RIP to the Gaudreau brothers. Condolences to their family, friends, and fans. This one hurts
 
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