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TheReelChuckFletcher said:
I was finagling around with the Canucks roster today. If they dump Tyler Myers somewhere and trade Kuzmenko, they could pick up both Pesce and Konecny. A Konecny acquisition by Vancouver likely makes them a far more appealing team.

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As that other poster pointed out, that wouldn’t be much to really push Philly to trade Konecny.

Doubt Pesce is motivated to move to BC either

Maybe, just maybe, Vancouver could pay us futures for pesce that goes to Philly and we add another piece to get a konecny or a tippett.
 
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TheReelChuckFletcher said:
Considering the threat by the Pettersson camp that the Canucks need to start winning or else, I'm pretty sure that they are the team most likely to give up the necessary haul for Pesce. The question is whether they're willing to give up their best trade asset to do so (aka. Kuzmenko).
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It's a really, really big if, but if Pesce could be talked into playing long term in Vancouver (team sucks, but city is wonderful?), Pesce for Pettersson, both extended, would be a great trade for both teams. You'd need a few other pieces to make the cap work and the Canes would be adding a bit- but man, Pettersson would be the offensive kick in the pants we've always dreamed about.
 
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cptjeff said:
It's a really, really big if, but if Pesce could be talked into playing long term in Vancouver (team sucks, but city is wonderful?), Pesce for Pettersson, both extended, would be a great trade for both teams. You'd need a few other pieces to make the cap work and the Canes would be adding a bit- but man, Pettersson would be the offensive kick in the pants we've always dreamed about.
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The canes would be adding a whole lot more than “a bit” even with an extended Pesce.
 
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cptjeff said:
It's a really, really big if, but if Pesce could be talked into playing long term in Vancouver (team sucks, but city is wonderful?), Pesce for Pettersson, both extended, would be a great trade for both teams. You'd need a few other pieces to make the cap work and the Canes would be adding a bit- but man, Pettersson would be the offensive kick in the pants we've always dreamed about.
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:biglaugh:

Well, we can all dream, but Pettersson is going to require Jarvis ++++
 
At the same time, if your own player has already said "we need to compete or I'm out", its probably time to start shopping that player to get what you can, especially if that player can get you an absolute haul in a trade now.

EP is one foot out the door. If I'm Vancouver, I need to take a very serious look at the roster and really decide if what we have is good enough to satisfy his demands. Spoiler: Its not. They're better off moving him off for the bigger package and going into an aggressive rebuild on the backs of whatever you can get for him.

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Well, we can all dream, but Pettersson is going to require Jarvis ++++
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Maybe?

I'm thinking a package of Necas, Pesce/Skjei, Morrow, multiple picks including a 1st would at the very least be a good starting point. Especially if Pesce/Skjei is a sign and trade.
 
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Svechhammer said:
At the same time, if your own player has already said "we need to compete or I'm out", its probably time to start shopping that player to get what you can, especially if that player can get you an absolute haul in a trade now.

EP is one foot out the door. If I'm Vancouver, I need to take a very serious look at the roster and really decide if what we have is good enough to satisfy his demands. Spoiler: Its not. They're better off moving him off for the bigger package and going into an aggressive rebuild on the backs of whatever you can get for him.


Maybe?

I'm thinking a package of Necas, Pesce/Skjei, Morrow, multiple picks including a 1st would at the very least be a good starting point. Especially if Pesce/Skjei is a sign and trade.
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Pettersson is as good as saying he's out the door. They really do need to be looking at trading him now- and I mean right now. It's really hard to get this kind of deal done during the season, so then they're holding onto him at the deadline and have to scrape something together that gets them half the value they would have gotten.

And an extended Pesce would be a huge piece in any trade, people really, really shouldn't undersell his value. He's a RD and one of the league's elite defensive players. Yeah, the league does undervalue defense, but Pesce is a guy the rest of the league does know about.

There would of course be other big pieces, KK would almost certainly have to go back to clear room at center, they're gonna want picks and prospects- there would be a ton of moving pieces. But the core of a hockey deal is there.
 
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cptjeff said:
Pettersson is as good as saying he's out the door. They really do need to be looking at trading him now- and I mean right now. It's really hard to get this kind of deal done during the season, so then they're holding onto him at the deadline and have to scrape something together that gets them half the value they would have gotten.

And an extended Pesce would be a huge piece in any trade, people really, really shouldn't undersell his value. He's a RD and one of the league's elite defensive players. Yeah, the league does undervalue defense, but Pesce is a guy the rest of the league does know about.

There would of course be other big pieces, KK would almost certainly have to go back to clear room at center, they're gonna want picks and prospects- there would be a ton of moving pieces. But the core of a hockey deal is there.
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I can see them holding on through this season similar to how Calgary handled the Tkachuk situation since next off-season is when most teams will have more money available. That said, they're running the risk of him saying "f*** you, we're going to arbitration and then I'm walking next off-season". Something around Necas + our first + say Morrow is easily better than what Vegas gave up (at the time) for Eichel.
 
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The Vancouver brass (specifically the ownership) do not feel like the kind that is overly self-aware. They have one of the worst farms in the league AND they repeatedly fail to make the playoffs. If they had any of it at all, they would be tanking for Celebrini and Pettersson would've been gone this offseason. Instead, they're almost certainly foaming at the mouth to make one more dumb trade to plug yet another defensive hole. To me, if there's any team that's willing to pay the price for either Skjei or Pesce, potential NTCs notwithstanding, it's going to be them. It's IMO unlikely that the Canes can pry away Pettersson, at least this season, but a Skjei/Pesce for high-end forward trade is another story.
 
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Neck and neck in everything it seems..


Always good to see the outsiders' perspectives. Looks like Canes fans are the harsher critics.

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From a completely objective standpoint, I'd argue that Carolina/Vegas/Tampa's successes have a lot more to do with their front offices than someone like New Jersey's. That team had fantastic draft luck for years during their sucking period, AND they also got lucky from a contractual standpoint that both Jack Hughes AND Hischier were late-bloomers. I get the #1 ranking, however, from a fanbase perspective, because this is finally the year that they can see all of that draft capital come to fruition.
 
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TheReelChuckFletcher said:
From a completely objective standpoint, I'd argue that Carolina/Vegas/Tampa's successes have a lot more to do with their front offices than someone like New Jersey's. That team had fantastic draft luck for years during their sucking period, AND they also got lucky from a contractual standpoint that both Jack Hughes AND Hischier were late-bloomers. I get the #1 ranking, however, from a fanbase perspective, because this is finally the year that they can see all of that draft capital come to fruition.
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Obviously Vegas has won it all while being a contender every year except for 1, but as they stand right now I don't think they're super well built for sustained success. They parlayed the successful expansion draft year into a very well built veteran team but they have a relatively short shelf life and I think will really struggle after (potentially for a long time like the Sabres/us in the 2010s). In that sense I'd lump us and Tampa together for front office confidence but Vegas' maybe not quite in that group. We need to win it all soon or we'll fall into Sharks territory of course, but I think we have plenty of time with the current core. Agree with everything else you said though, NJD front office was given significantly more to work with than us/Tampa. We've had 1 legit high lottery pick, the Devils have had what 5, 6 including 2 1st overall picks? Lightning have Hedman/Stamkos but that's it
 
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AhosDatsyukian said:
Obviously Vegas has won it all while being a contender every year except for 1, but as they stand right now I don't think they're super well built for sustained success. They parlayed the successful expansion draft year into a very well built veteran team but they have a relatively short shelf life and I think will really struggle after (potentially for a long time like the Sabres/us in the 2010s). In that sense I'd lump us and Tampa together for front office confidence but Vegas' maybe not quite in that group. We need to win it all soon or we'll fall into Sharks territory of course, but I think we have plenty of time with the current core. Agree with everything else you said though, NJD front office was given significantly more to work with than us/Tampa. We've had 1 legit high lottery pick, the Devils have had what 5, 6 including 2 1st overall picks? Lightning have Hedman/Stamkos but that's it
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The Canes will only fall into Sharks territory if they give out too many whoppers in a desperation to stay on top like San Jose did. The Canes, if they keep staying away from that temptation, may be able to regenerate their core group a lot more quickly.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
I’m in the “leave refs alone” camp. But I’m willing to go with media interviews in exchange for getting rid of video review.
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I have a hard time with the "leave refs alone" part when they admittedly manage the game.

I get the missed calls/inconsistency. it's hard to stay 100% unbiased through 60 min. of fast moving hockey, with players and coaches yelling and lobbying, with the excitement in the arena, with players that have a reputation, etc.... These guys are human and not immune to that stuff so it happens, but the managing the game stuff seems more deliberate to me. Maybe it's more of human nature though, so who knows.

I like having video reviews though because of how hard it is to get calls right, but I think there has to be a way to do it much more efficiently and quickly. for instance: Maybe add two video refs at every game so they can be looking real time vs. calling Toronto and give them more responsibility real time. Simplify the goalie interference rules so it's less subjective and more black and white. etc.. Maybe those aren't the right/only solutions, but there are some smart people that can look at ways to improve it.
 
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