Around the League 36-But Who's Counting...

[bleedgreen]

The McDavid shot for the first goal while behind the goal line was brilliant. As amazing as he is I’ve not kept him in Lemieux kind of space in my head. That play was there.

 

[HisIceness]

Knights win in overtime. Flames still winless there

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The McDavid shot for the first goal while behind the goal line was brilliant. As amazing as he is I’ve not kept him in Lemieux kind of space in my head. That play was there.

He was insane tonight. Literally looked like an NHL dropping into a Junior game. When he's on his game, it's a sight to behold.

And there's so many good stats to bring up. RNH got his 600th point in tonight's game...just a few days after McDavid got his 800th. Reminder that RNH was drafted in 2011, McDavid in 2015.

Also, McDavid scored his second penalty shot goal tonight. Just his second out of 6 attempts in 546 games. Lecavalier holds the record for penalty shot attempts with 13 in 1212 games. Ovechkin has 12 in 1329.

 

[Svechhammer]

It still floors me that Edmonton can't give him a contending roster. They legitimately have a chear code in their forward lines, they should be pouring money into the defensive and goaltending side of their roster and yet they keep missing the mark there.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Going by points %, Detroit and Buffalo are now in 7th and 8th place in the east. Followed by Pitt, NYI and FLA

Detroit is playing some good hockey right now.

 

[Stickpucker]

song fixt:

 

[tarheelhockey]

Well, he was hooked/tugged from the left, and SPUN to the right as he fell...that screams of a sell-job/flop since that's not how physics work

It’s not that the hook brought him down, it’s that the hook caused his stick blade to lift and miss the puck. He fell because he tried to turn to get back to it, and lost his edges.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

It still floors me that Edmonton can't give him a contending roster. They legitimately have a chear code in their forward lines, they should be pouring money into the defensive and goaltending side of their roster and yet they keep missing the mark there.

Completely agree. The management in EDM has been so incompetent for so long at this point it feels

The whole system needs to change. Good management has to be cutthroat. You hate to see it when players like Trocheck and Hamilton leave, but the most important thing is to have a great team with players not weighing down your payroll. You have to be mindful of that third contract.

 

[chaz4hockey]

It still floors me that Edmonton can't give him a contending roster. They legitimately have a chear code in their forward lines, they should be pouring money into the defensive and goaltending side of their roster and yet they keep missing the mark there.

A big part of it has been shoddy GMs but as well cap managment/player demands.

Oilers Top 3 players take up around 38% of their cap whereas the Bruins top 3 take around 27% with performing players such as Krejci and Bergeron taking home team discounts. Leafs top 3/4 take up 41/50%....yikes.

btw: I hope Staal takes a home team discount next year.

 

[Svechhammer]

A big part of it has been shoddy GMs but as well cap managment/player demands.

Oilers Top 3 players take up around 38% of their cap whereas the Bruins top 3 take around 27% with performing players such as Krejci and Bergeron taking home team discounts. Leafs top 3/4 take up 41/50%....yikes.

btw: I hope Staal takes a home team discount next year.

If the Oilers were smart, they'd trade Draisaitl for a king's ransom to completely overhaul their defense and/or goaltending. McJesus is more than enough to completely dominate play on his own, Drai is a luxury, and one they should leverage to balance out the roster. You could flip them around to be an elite defensive team with McJesus at 1C and suddenly they're a Cup favorite every year, but they keep trying to add more offense and it makes no damn sense.

 

[MinJaBen]

Going by points %, Detroit and Buffalo are now in 7th and 8th place in the east. Followed by Pitt, NYI and FLA

Detroit is playing some good hockey right now.

How soon does Florida become a seller?

 

[WreckingCrew]

How soon does Florida become a seller?

We'll take a lightly used Tkachuk pls & thx

 

[MinJaBen]

We'll take a lightly used Tkachuk pls & thx

I was thinking more along the lines of a Bennett.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If the Oilers were smart, they'd trade Draisaitl for a king's ransom to completely overhaul their defense and/or goaltending. McJesus is more than enough to completely dominate play on his own, Drai is a luxury, and one they should leverage to balance out the roster. You could flip them around to be an elite defensive team with McJesus at 1C and suddenly they're a Cup favorite every year, but they keep trying to add more offense and it makes no damn sense.

I strongly suspect that Drai is one of those “addition by subtraction” players outside of his on-paper contribution. Yes he produces a lot of points, but he comes off as a total loser. Like a Mark Scheifele type of presence. What they would get back in a trade for him would almost certainly put them closer to winning a Cup.

 

[Stickpucker]

I strongly suspect that Drai is one of those “addition by subtraction” players outside of his on-paper contribution. Yes he produces a lot of points, but he comes off as a total loser. Like a Mark Scheifele type of presence. What they would get back in a trade for him would almost certainly put them closer to winning a Cup.

Uhh...huh? a 110 pt player who is good in the dot making the same $$ as Aho would be addition by subtraction?

And adding Schiefele....

I don't think either of those guys are losers. They have been stuck in "losing orgs" with bad coaches. Look at what our good buddy PoMo is doing down in Florida. The Jets look like a totally different org with him gone.

I'll go as far as to say Schiefele and a bit earlier EP are the elite players we should have been trying to pry out of orgs that were failing and looking for a scape goat while those franchise level players value is at the lowest while there is a media narrative they're "losers". It's way too late now but 1-1.5 seasons ago EP may've been able to have for a bargain compared to what he's worth now.

TLDR they're somewhat Eric Staal from 2010-2016. Prime high end player in a dysfunctional org and getting coached by the Muellers of the world.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Uhh...huh? a 110 pt player who is good in the dot making the same $$ as Aho would be addition by subtraction?

I specifically said outside of his on-paper contribution. Read the whole sentence and it will make more sense.

And adding Schiefele....

I don't think either of those guys are losers. They have been stuck in "losing orgs" with bad coaches. Look at what our good buddy PoMo is doing down in Florida. The Jets look like a totally different org with him gone.

Scheifele has one of the worst attitudes of any relevant player in the NHL. He sulks, whines, quits when they’re losing. There has been a lot of smoke over the years that he is the source of friction within the team and with the staff. As legit 1Cs go, he’s probably the least desirable one to build a team around.

I'll go as far as to say Schiefele and a bit earlier EP are the elite players we should have been trying to pry out of orgs that were failing and looking for a scape goat while those franchise level players value is at the lowest while there is a media narrative they're "losers". It's way too late now but 1-1.5 seasons ago EP may've been able to have for a bargain compared to what he's worth now.

TLDR they're somewhat Eric Staal from 2010-2016. Prime high end player in a dysfunctional org and getting coached by the Muellers of the world.

You’re right, Eric Staal is a great comparable. Look at his career and that’s exactly what you’re getting with this type of player at the center of a franchise.

You can only have one or two players of this caliber on a team. There’s only so much cap space and ice time to go around. Those roles have to be chosen wisely. Does Eric Staal or Mark Scheifele or Leon Draisaitl strike you as a guy who’s going to put a team on his shoulders? Run through a brick wall to win at all costs? Make the hard play instead of the glory play? They don’t strike me that way at all, and their team results have always mirrored that lack of character, regardless of the amount of talent they’re surrounded with.

Again, I did not say you can just waive a Draisaitl from and suddenly get better. But trading him, that’s a different story. It’s very easy to imagine Edmonton coming out of such a trade as an overall better team than they are today.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Oh goody, is it Assassinate Eric Staal's Character For No Reason Day again already? These holidays where the day changes each year can be hard to keep track of.

 

[Svechhammer]

Oh goody, is it Assassinate Eric Staal's Character For No Reason Day again already? These holidays where the day changes each year can be hard to keep track of.

That's 2023 1st line center, Eric Staal. Put some respect on the man's name

 

[tarheelhockey]

Oh goody, is it Assassinate Eric Staal's Character For No Reason Day again already? These holidays where the day changes each year can be hard to keep track of.

Nobody’s assassinating his character. He was what he was. A solid 1C whose give-a-shit level was not reliably very high.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Zito went from hero GM to zero in one trade deadline. He is going to give up a really nice pick for Chiarot. Sad

 

[Joe McGrath]

I specifically said outside of his on-paper contribution. Read the whole sentence and it will make more sense.



Scheifele has one of the worst attitudes of any relevant player in the NHL. He sulks, whines, quits when they’re losing. There has been a lot of smoke over the years that he is the source of friction within the team and with the staff. As legit 1Cs go, he’s probably the least desirable one to build a team around.



You’re right, Eric Staal is a great comparable. Look at his career and that’s exactly what you’re getting with this type of player at the center of a franchise.

You can only have one or two players of this caliber on a team. There’s only so much cap space and ice time to go around. Those roles have to be chosen wisely. Does Eric Staal or Mark Scheifele or Leon Draisaitl strike you as a guy who’s going to put a team on his shoulders? Run through a brick wall to win at all costs? Make the hard play instead of the glory play? They don’t strike me that way at all, and their team results have always mirrored that lack of character, regardless of the amount of talent they’re surrounded with.

Again, I did not say you can just waive a Draisaitl from and suddenly get better. But trading him, that’s a different story. It’s very easy to imagine Edmonton coming out of such a trade as an overall better team than they are today.

Generally speaking, I think guys who have won league MVPs and are still in their prime are exactly the type of guys who are going to put a team on their shoulders.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Generally speaking, I think guys who have won league MVPs and are still in their prime are exactly the type of guys who are going to put a team on their shoulders.

Taylor Hall won a league MVP. Doesn’t really address what I’m talking about.

 

[Derailed75]

Taylor Hall won a league MVP. Doesn’t really address what I’m talking about.

I have never understood why he was thought of so highly

 

[Lempo]

I have never understood why he was thought of so highly

His name stole some Taylor Swift valor from those who don't follow hockey.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Taylor Hall won a league MVP. Doesn’t really address what I’m talking about.

I was only addressing the question about are these guys who can put their teams on their shoulders. Drai is an emphatic yes. He can and has in the past when McDavid missed time. Hell he had 32 points in the playoffs last year on one leg for most of it.