GDT: Around The League 24/25. Preseason ends, the regular season begins!!

[McShogun99]

The offer sheets aren’t their fault. Also Lavoie isn’t a great loss.

As long as his skating is terrible he’ll have a hard time making it in the NHL.

Technically the offer sheets are their fault. They didn’t protect their assets and left them vulnerable.

 

[joestevens29]

Technically the offer sheets are their fault. They didn’t protect their assets and left them vulnerable.

Holloway seems to have caught them off guard, but there was indication for a long time Broberg wanted out. They should've dealt him when they had the chance.

Either that or not go out and spend money on other assets before as you say protecting their own. Hard to pin on Bowman either, as it's essentially the hand he was given with not a lot of options. Heck even them going and trading the 2025 first to take O'Reilly is putting some handcuffs on the guy in making deals during this year.

 

[North]

Technically the offer sheets are their fault. They didn’t protect their assets and left them vulnerable.

Sigh, the repetitive arguments . I’ll be honest. I don’t give a shit. They’re gone and they chose to be gone.

Other people can keep crying about it. I’m not going to.

 

[bellagiobob]

Sigh, the repetitive arguments . I’ll be honest. I don’t give a shit. They’re gone and they chose to be gone.

Other people can keep crying about it. I’m not going to.

The only thread I can safely get away from all this regurgitated crap is the NFL thread. Rest of the threads are all soiled, which is a shame. I guess if you can't make your point in one thread, why not do it in five different ones. Sigh.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Technically the offer sheets are their fault. They didn’t protect their assets and left them vulnerable.

They also grossly f***ed up their development and hire coaches who refused to integrate young players which I hope changes with this management core.

 

[yukoner88]

The offer sheets aren’t their fault. Also Lavoie isn’t a great loss.

As long as his skating is terrible he’ll have a hard time making it in the NHL.

Losing Broberg is a sting, no matter how you look at it. He is someone who was brought up the Ken Holland way. Percolate in the minors, and force your way onto the big team. In this case it looked like it was working. 3rd pairing was all his, if Broberg came in and picked up from where he left off in the playoffs. Sure there are some holes in his game yet, but we were just starting to see where his game can go, and quite frankly so did the St. Louis Blues. They weren't going to throw all that money at him if they had much doubt that the overpaying gamble wasn't going to work.

We can debate how big a hole has been put in our blueline by letting him go, but we can all agree that there's a hole there now none the less, and it won't be easy to find a young damn to pluck there who is at the level of Broberg.

While we're at it, let's not give up on Emberson either. He's raw, and he has his own set of flaws, but his potential strengths are there, and could very well trend to be a 2nd pairing defenseman.

Hopefully Jackson/Bowman......(I still shudder at that name) can use the picks acquired to flip and find a decent young dman to get the youth movement back to where it was.

 

[McShogun99]

Losing Broberg is a sting, no matter how you look at it. He is someone who was brought up the Ken Holland way. Percolate in the minors, and force your way onto the big team. In this case it looked like it was working. 3rd pairing was all his, if Broberg came in and picked up from where he left off in the playoffs. Sure there are some holes in his game yet, but we were just starting to see where his game can go, and quite frankly so did the St. Louis Blues. They weren't going to throw all that money at him if they had much doubt that the overpaying gamble wasn't going to work.

We can debate how big a hole has been put in our blueline by letting him go, but we can all agree that there's a hole there now none the less, and it won't be easy to find a young damn to pluck there who is at the level of Broberg.

While we're at it, let's not give up on Emberson either. He's raw, and he has his own set of flaws, but his potential strengths are there, and could very well trend to be a 2nd pairing defenseman.

Hopefully Jackson/Bowman......(I still shudder at that name) can use the picks acquired to flip and find a decent young dman to get the youth movement back to where it was.

It wasn't just the Blue's. There were 4 other teams willing to give him the same offer sheet as the Blues but had to move some pieces to make the cap work.. Emerson has been looking better as the season goes on so I think we at least got a player with potential to be a #4 one day.

 

[Oilhawks]

The only thread I can safely get away from all this regurgitated crap is the NFL thread. Rest of the threads are all soiled, which is a shame. I guess if you can't make your point in one thread, why not do it in five different ones. Sigh.

The stunning and brave always negative group poisoned this place with the same shit over and over again (with a brief pause during the run to the Finals), paving the way for the new batch of repetitive hand-wringing.

It would make a lot more sense if the team wasn’t under new management. But it is, and they still need to repeat the mantras ad naseum in an echo chamber of bitch and moan

 

[K1984]

The stunning and brave always negative group poisoned this place with the same shit over and over again (with a brief pause during the run to the Finals), paving the way for the new batch of repetitive hand-wringing.

It would make a lot more sense if the team wasn’t under new management. But it is, and they still need to repeat the mantras ad naseum in an echo chamber of bitch and moan

Too old! Too slow! Might be the most annoying narrative push I've ever heard here.

Neither have been a factor whatsoever in this start, but anyone that took it upon themselves to fly off the handle regarding Broberg and Holloway is basically using that as a synonym for "we're losing because we don't have Broberg or Holloway."

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Too old! Too slow! Might be the most annoying narrative push I've ever heard here.

Neither have been a factor whatsoever in this start, but anyone that took it upon themselves to fly off the handle regarding Broberg and Holloway is basically using that as a synonym for "we're losing because we don't have Broberg or Holloway."

They're a loss no matter how you look at it. Broberg's replacement hasn't been anywhere near as good as we'd hope he would be. The team has the capacity to pull their asses out of the fire but anyone surprised that the mood around here isn't sunny is only fooling themselves.

 

[K1984]

They're a loss no matter how you look at it. Broberg's replacement hasn't been anywhere near as good as we'd hope he would be. The team has the capacity to pull their asses out of the fire but anyone surprised that the mood around here isn't sunny is only fooling themselves.

Yes they're a loss, but you think there would be any appreciable difference in the results if they were still here? They aren't the reason why the team has started like this, but some so badly want it to be.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes they're a loss, but you think there would be any appreciable difference in the results if they were still here? They aren't the reason why the team has started like this, but some so badly want it to be.

It's tough to say but they aren't doing anything particularly well right now. Emberson looks way out of his element and they aren't getting any scoring up front. Would those two instantly catapult us to the top of the standings? No. But early returns have not eased my concerns about the defense one bit.

 

[K1984]

It's tough to say but they aren't doing anything particularly well right now. Emberson looks way out of his element and they aren't getting any scoring up front. Would those two instantly catapult us to the top of the standings? No. But early returns have not eased my concerns about the defense one bit.

Red Herring. Oilers are among the league leaders in team defense, we just can't get a save.

Emberson looking shaky isn't a reason we are where we are either. It's goal scoring from the top of the lineup, and goaltending. The team is not losing because of Broberg, Holloway, Emberson, Ceci, Stecher, etc, etc. They're losing because the top players haven't started the season yet and the goalies can't save anything.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Red Herring. Oilers are among the league leaders in team defense, we just can't get a save.

Emberson looking shaky isn't a reason we are where we are either. It's goal scoring from the top of the lineup, and goaltending. The team is not losing because of Broberg, Holloway, Emberson, Ceci, Stecher, etc, etc. They're losing because the top players haven't started the season yet and the goalies can't save anything.

The top pairing is fine. The bottom two pairings keep getting changed every other shift because nothing works.

When the team loses like the Oilers are right now everything is going to be looked at. Simply blaming goaltending for everything is short-sighted. I look at last game and they kept Dallas relatively in check. ....And then when Dallas started to actually play the entire team went into panic mode and they completely unraveled. Nothing is going for the team right now.

Also the goal of the team is win the Stanley Cup. Another slow start and we can forget about that.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Losing Broberg is a sting, no matter how you look at it. He is someone who was brought up the Ken Holland way. Percolate in the minors, and force your way onto the big team. In this case it looked like it was working. 3rd pairing was all his, if Broberg came in and picked up from where he left off in the playoffs. Sure there are some holes in his game yet, but we were just starting to see where his game can go, and quite frankly so did the St. Louis Blues. They weren't going to throw all that money at him if they had much doubt that the overpaying gamble wasn't going to work.

We can debate how big a hole has been put in our blueline by letting him go, but we can all agree that there's a hole there now none the less, and it won't be easy to find a young damn to pluck there who is at the level of Broberg.

While we're at it, let's not give up on Emberson either. He's raw, and he has his own set of flaws, but his potential strengths are there, and could very well trend to be a 2nd pairing defenseman.

Hopefully Jackson/Bowman......(I still shudder at that name) can use the picks acquired to flip and find a decent young dman to get the youth movement back to where it was.

He wasn’t percolating in the minors.

He was in the minors because he was consistently outplayed

 

[K1984]

The top pairing is fine. The bottom two pairings keep getting changed every other shift because nothing works.

When the team loses like the Oilers are right now everything is going to be looked at. Simply blaming goaltending for everything is short-sighted. I look at last game and they kept Dallas relatively in check. ....And then when Dallas started to actually play the entire team went into panic mode and they completely unraveled. Nothing is going for the team right now.

Also the goal of the team is win the Stanley Cup. Another slow start and we can forget about that.

On the back of goaltending + McDavid with a horrific turnover and back check + Henrique with a similarly horrific up ice turnover and back check. Meanwhile this much maligned D core held the "deepest" team in the NHL to less than 10 shots through two periods before the forwards started pissing up rush chances against up ice to start the third. And that was after throwing away numerous power plays that would have turned the game in our favour.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the D core, Broberg, or Holloway.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

On the back of goaltending + McDavid with a horrific turnover and back check + Henrique with a similarly horrific up ice turnover and back check. Meanwhile this much maligned D core held the "deepest" team in the NHL to less than 10 shots through two periods before the forwards started pissing up rush chances against up ice to start the third. And that was after throwing away numerous power plays that would have turned the game in our favour.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the D core, Broberg, or Holloway.

having those 2 on the team wouldn't make a huge difference I agree...but losing 2 valuable young assets stings, and will hurt this team in the long run
have have absolutely no young players to transition to and our minor league system is woefully thin (outside of Savoie)

if you want sustained success, like the Oilers say they do, you need good young players on your team

 

[K1984]

having those 2 on the team wouldn't make a huge difference I agree...but losing 2 valuable young assets stings, and will hurt this team in the long run
have have absolutely no young players to transition to and our minor league system is woefully thin (outside of Savoie)

if you want sustained success, like the Oilers say they do, you need good young players on your team

Agree with all that 100%.

 

[BlackDogg]

I hear this guy's neighbors with Broberg and Holloway.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

I’m gonna watch the Blues a bit before the Oilers today, I gotta see how good Broberg looks and wallow in it a little bit lol