GDT: Around The League 24/25. Parity, blessed parity.

Perfect_Drug

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I know it's not even 30 games into this season, but things are starting to look like we're gonna face the Kings again in Round 1. Vancouver is hit with some terrible injury luck and Demko isn't in game shape.

If Avalanche and Canucks are the Wildcards, that's gonna be pretty painful for the Knights and Wild.
 
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Decided to check out CP for fun now that the Oilers are doing well again.. just to see what they could be making fun of edmonton now..... apparently they're now ripping the Oilers for Leonard the dog.

Yup.... Clowns.
 
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He's not the right 19 year old to do it either.

He isn't good enough to one man a line like McDavid or Crosby could.

The word "Generational" gets overused to the point where every first overall pick is put under far too much pressure. Thanks to TSN and SN talking heads who typically don't know shit about shit they ruin more careers than bad knees.
 

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I've said all along Bedard is basically Patrick Kane with a better shot...he's small and skilled but not a generational player, and a borderline franchise player

in fact, I bet he ends up a winger because he's simply too small to play the center ice position IMO
if he gets some help surrounding him, I see him winning the Art Ross though...he's supremely skilled

Decided to check out CP for fun now that the Oilers are doing well again.. just to see what they could be making fun of edmonton now..... apparently they're now ripping the Oilers for Leonard the dog.

Yup.... Clowns.
Flames fans hate the Oilers more than they like the Flames...they're an embarrassment to hockey and why I love watching them take Ls
 

K1984

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The word "Generational" gets overused to the point where every first overall pick is put under far too much pressure. Thanks to TSN and SN talking heads who typically don't know shit about shit they ruin more careers than bad knees.

No kidding.

His junior stat line was obviously very attractive, and he's still a very, very good player that will almost certainly be a superstar. However, even during his draft year Ray Charles could have seen that there were some gaps in his game that were going to probably inhibit him from being a true generational player, namely size and speed. He's not slow per se, but he's also not quick enough to make up for the size deficit. Crosby wasn't big, but was an elite skater and an elite distributor which made up for it. McDavid is above average in size, and has the speed and vision. Bedard is a relatively mediocre skater, and is a shoot first player rather than distributor. Easier to push a shooter to the margins to limit their impact when you're not that worried about getting burned by them with speed or a deft pass.

This is nitpicking a great player, but I just don't see the "generational" angle with him at all and never really have. All the generational talents over the past 45 years have been elite, elite, elite playmakers first, then collect goals as an ancillary benefit due to the space they create for themselves by putting the fear of god into the opposition with their playmaking ability. That isn't there for Bedard. He's shoot first then.....
 
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frag2

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The word "Generational" gets overused to the point where every first overall pick is put under far too much pressure. Thanks to TSN and SN talking heads who typically don't know shit about shit they ruin more careers than bad knees.

I mean it started to go downhill when Toronto media started pegging Matthews as generationaland when that didn't work, he's a "generational scorer"

Then, for draft drama, they seemingly started anointing generational players left right center

No kidding.

His junior stat line was obviously very attractive, and he's still a very, very good player that will almost certainly be a superstar. However, even during his draft year Ray Charles could have seen that there were some gaps in his game that were going to probably inhibit him from being a true generational player, namely size and speed. He's not slow per se, but he's also not quick enough to make up for the size deficit. Crosby wasn't big, but was an elite skater and an elite distributor which made up for it. McDavid is above average in size, and has the speed and vision. Bedard is a relatively mediocre skater, and is a shoot first player rather than distributor. Easier to push a shooter to the margins to limit their impact when you're not that worried about getting burned by them with speed or a deft pass.

This is nitpicking a great player, but I just don't see the "generational" angle with him at all and never really have. All the generational talents over the past 45 years have been elite, elite, elite playmakers first, then collect goals as an ancillary benefit due to the space they create for themselves by putting the fear of god into the opposition with their playmaking ability. That isn't there for Bedard. He's shoot first then.....

JMO but generational players are always point per game players, even in their NHL rookie season
 

K1984

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I mean it started to go downhill when Toronto media started pegging Matthews as generationaland when that didn't work, he's a "generational scorer"

Then, for draft drama, they seemingly started anointing generational players left right center

I got accosted on Instagram of all places when I said "Matthews isn't generational" in response to that tweet from Courtney Therriault a few weeks ago tagging Matthews as such.

Like you said "BUT HE'S A GENERATIONAL GOAL SCORER SO THAT MEANS GENERATIONAL!!!" All of the replies literally stopped the moment I said "would you call Brett Hull a generational player?"
 

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No kidding.

His junior stat line was obviously very attractive, and he's still a very, very good player that will almost certainly be a superstar. However, even during his draft year Ray Charles could have seen that there were some gaps in his game that were going to probably inhibit him from being a true generational player, namely size and speed. He's not slow per se, but he's also not quick enough to make up for the size deficit. Crosby wasn't big, but was an elite skater and an elite distributor which made up for it. McDavid is above average in size, and has the speed and vision. Bedard is a relatively mediocre skater, and is a shoot first player rather than distributor. Easier to push a shooter to the margins to limit their impact when you're not that worried about getting burned by them with speed or a deft pass.

This is nitpicking a great player, but I just don't see the "generational" angle with him at all and never really have. All the generational talents over the past 45 years have been elite, elite, elite playmakers first, then collect goals as an ancillary benefit due to the space they create for themselves by putting the fear of god into the opposition with their playmaking ability. That isn't there for Bedard. He's shoot first then.....
Another thing is IQ. Crosby is among the smartest players to lace the game, and McDavid's IQ is still clearly in a league of its own. Bedard has strong hockey senses, but it doesn't truly stand out.
 

frag2

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I got accosted on Instagram of all places when I said "Matthews isn't generational" in response to that tweet from Courtney Therriault a few weeks ago tagging Matthews as such.

Like you said "BUT HE'S A GENERATIONAL GOAL SCORER SO THAT MEANS GENERATIONAL!!!" All of the replies literally stopped the moment I said "would you call Brett Hull a generational player?"
Courtney was trolling btw lol
 
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Duke74

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Bedard is a cross between P. Kane and Matthews in terms of his style although I'm not sure he even ends up as good as either of them. Those players are his ceiling while someone like Brayden Point is a more realistic comparable.
 
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Chicago needs to find a LW with size that's an excellent playmaker for Bedard. On RW they need a big, gritty player to do the dirty work. I think he wins a few Rockets over his career and may an Art Ross or two but his second year is pointing towards great player and not generational player.
 

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Prime sucks and can get f***ed no hockey on Monday. Not sure if this isn't going backwards for Prime. It was fine if they wanted to enter the market. But to take over Mondays is perhaps creating fan resentment among some hockey fans.

At least its just Montreal vs the Ducks. Nobody would watch anyway outside of Montreal. Hasn't been Oilers games on prime for a couple of weeks so thankful of that.

Been on a lot of backlash on all the fanbases.


Disgrace that the SC rematch is only on Prime, is on a Monday, and you can't see it without subscription. We get jobbed again next week.

This is ironic. The only change for many is them not watching hockey on Mondays.

 
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Drivesaitl

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Bedard is a cross between P. Kane and Matthews in terms of his style although I'm not sure he even ends up as good as either of them. Those players are his ceiling while someone like Brayden Point is a more realistic comparable.
Size and strength seem to be limiting factors. Who knew. Connor Bedard, generational smirk now with only 5G's lol. He's on a 15G season pace and he's generational? haha
 
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No kidding.

His junior stat line was obviously very attractive, and he's still a very, very good player that will almost certainly be a superstar. However, even during his draft year Ray Charles could have seen that there were some gaps in his game that were going to probably inhibit him from being a true generational player, namely size and speed. He's not slow per se, but he's also not quick enough to make up for the size deficit. Crosby wasn't big, but was an elite skater and an elite distributor which made up for it. McDavid is above average in size, and has the speed and vision. Bedard is a relatively mediocre skater, and is a shoot first player rather than distributor. Easier to push a shooter to the margins to limit their impact when you're not that worried about getting burned by them with speed or a deft pass.

This is nitpicking a great player, but I just don't see the "generational" angle with him at all and never really have. All the generational talents over the past 45 years have been elite, elite, elite playmakers first, then collect goals as an ancillary benefit due to the space they create for themselves by putting the fear of god into the opposition with their playmaking ability. That isn't there for Bedard. He's shoot first then.....

Crosby may not be big, but he is strong af due to his core, legs, and balance. Good luck to any defenceman trying to knock him off the puck and that was true even back in the "Sid the kid" days.

Bedard is silky smooth, but I just don't see what attribute he has to beat defencemen who manage to maintain good position. He's a few tiers higher, but it reminds of Granlund when first came over from Finland and was supposed to be the next big thing (remember this?) and just hit a wall. Not because the skill wasn't there, but because he couldn't create and (more importantly) maintain separation.
 

BlackDogg

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Hall with a goal. Left side, black tape from Connor.

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Time to come home.
 
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K1984

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Crosby may not be big, but he is strong af due to his core, legs, and balance. Good luck to any defenceman trying to knock him off the puck and that was true even back in the "Sid the kid" days.

Bedard is silky smooth, but I just don't see what attribute he has to beat defencemen who manage to maintain good position. He's a few tiers higher, but it reminds of Granlund when first came over from Finland and was supposed to be the next big thing (remember this?) and just hit a wall. Not because the skill wasn't there, but because he couldn't create and (more importantly) maintain separation.

Well said. Crosby might be one of the sturdier players on their skates in hockey and has been since day 1 basically. He was never the fastest player in the league, but if he gets half a step on you and lowers his shoulder he’s either going to successfully drive to the net or make a one handed pass to someone. When he leans in nobody is backing him off.
 

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