GDT: Around the League 2023-2024 "Off Season??!! What off season??!!"

[mkatcherin00]

A sparkling 0.818 for Dominick Hase... Err I mean Dustin Wolf thus far tonight

 

[FlameChampion]

Yamamoto with a goal and Shore with an assist haha

 

[mkatcherin00]

Yammo with two goals tonight

 

[McAsuno]

Two way beast unicorn Auston Matthew's is starting to play on the penalty kill. Watch for countless articles tomorrow on it

Incoming leg block shots, puck retrievals per 60, and PK per 60 by leaf fans all season long.

 

[bellagiobob]

Flames championship parade scheduled for tomorrow has now been postponed after zero wins in their two games today. This pre season was still the second greatest moment in Flames history and will be talked about for years by the inbreds down south. Statues will be be built and streets will be renamed.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yammo with two goals tonight

Watch Kostin get a Hattie in game 1.

 

[K1984]

Flames championship parade scheduled for tomorrow has now been postponed after zero wins in their two games today. This pre season was still the second greatest moment in Flames history and will be talked about for years by the inbreds down south. Statues will be be built and streets will be renamed.

I’ll bet they all had fun and the vibe in the room is much better though!

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

ESPN Future Power Rankings for next 3 seasons. Interesting look at their projections based on 4 strategic areas. Oilers rank 20 out of 32 team. Eat Shit Flames! rank 32...

Oilers

Roster	90.6	3
Prospects	58.8	29
Cap/contracts	64.0	19
Owner/GM/coach	78.8	17

NHL Future Power Rankings: Predicting best, worst teams for the next three seasons

Will the Devils' climb continue? Which bubble teams are set for a breakthrough in the next three years? Here are the 1-32 rankings for NHL teams.

www.espn.com

 

[iCanada]

ESPN Future Power Rankings for next 3 seasons. Interesting look at their projections based on 4 strategic areas. Oilers rank 20 out of 32 team. Eat Shit Flames! rank 32...

Oilers

Roster	90.6	3
Prospects	58.8	29
Cap/contracts	64.0	19
Owner/GM/coach	78.8	17

NHL Future Power Rankings: Predicting best, worst teams for the next three seasons

Will the Devils' climb continue? Which bubble teams are set for a breakthrough in the next three years? Here are the 1-32 rankings for NHL teams.

www.espn.com

I feel like our roster being 3rd should matter more in the next 3 seasons than our prospect pool being shallow, no?

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I feel like our roster being 3rd should matter more in the next 3 seasons than our prospect pool being shallow, no?

Agreed. Think this could be better with a weighting system. I like the strategic areas they look at but having them all carry the same relative weight creates a distorted conclusion - especially with the Oil whose roster is elite level. Still posted because I think it's an interesting piece with some future forecasting fodder ... and seeing the Flamers at #32 is just awesome.

EDIT: Oops, I skipped over their process. Apparently is a weighted system per "After averaging the results from the panelists, each of the four categories was weighted to create the overall score: roster (35%), prospects (25%), cap/contracts (20%) and owner/GM/coach (20%). The result is a comprehensive ranking based on how well each team is positioned for the future, plus insights on every team from Ryan S. Clark, Kristen Shilton and Greg Wyshynski."

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

ESPN Future Power Rankings for next 3 seasons. Interesting look at their projections based on 4 strategic areas. Oilers rank 20 out of 32 team. Eat Shit Flames! rank 32...

Oilers

Roster	90.6	3
Prospects	58.8	29
Cap/contracts	64.0	19
Owner/GM/coach	78.8	17

NHL Future Power Rankings: Predicting best, worst teams for the next three seasons

Will the Devils' climb continue? Which bubble teams are set for a breakthrough in the next three years? Here are the 1-32 rankings for NHL teams.

www.espn.com

how the heck do they rank "Owner/GM/Coach"?
cause I'd say we are a lot higher than 17th

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

how the heck do they rank "Owner/GM/Coach"?
cause I'd say we are a lot higher than 17th

Good question. I don't really see any criteria for evaluation team ownership and management. I agree with you that the Oil should be higher through Holland's work is at the backend of three successive failed rebuild(s).

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Good question. I don't really see any criteria for evaluation team ownership and management. I agree with you that the Oil should be higher through Holland's work is at the backend of three successive failed rebuild(s).

Ownership: Katz gives the players anything they need and they spend to the cap each and every year
GM: Holland isn't perfect but built a team that's a true contender in the NHL with a much deeper roster
Coach: his record speaks for itself, he has like .630 winning % (despite choking in the Vegas series)

they should be Top 5 IMO

 

[Fourier]

Good question. I don't really see any criteria for evaluation team ownership and management. I agree with you that the Oil should be higher through Holland's work is at the backend of three successive failed rebuild(s).

What do you want from an owner? Provide the team with great facilities and stable budgets that allow them to spend what they need to win. Don't interfere in the day by day operations. Hire top quality executives.

It may be possible to criticize Katz on the last one but he should get top marks for the first two.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Ownership: Katz gives the players anything they need and they spend to the cap each and every year
GM: Holland isn't perfect but built a team that's a true contender in the NHL with a much deeper roster
Coach: his record speaks for itself, he has like .630 winning % (despite choking in the Vegas series)

they should be Top 5 IMO

@Fourier

It's not my work so I won't defend it. Thought it was an interesting article to post. I like the strategic areas they consider. Appreciate the points you both make. The big one missing in that area is Jeff Jackson's hiring and his vision for modernizing the organization.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

@Fourier

It's not my work so I won't defend it. Thought it was an interesting article to post. I like the strategic areas they consider. Appreciate the points you both make. The big one missing in that area is Jeff Jackson's hiring and his vision for modernizing the organization.

It’s Wyshynski and Shilton writing this click bait bullshit and both are Oiler / Canadian team haters on top of ESPN sucking off any US team with a snowballs chance in hell of even making the playoffs.

 

[mkatcherin00]

Isn't Shilton that Leafs homer that was a co-host on Leafs Lunch.

I can't stand Greg, but he did say he could see Edmonton winning the cup on Vancouver radio today. He said he likes our team and goaltending is the only spot he is not confident in.

 

[Stoneman89]

What do you want from an owner? Provide the team with great facilities and stable budgets that allow them to spend what they need to win. Don't interfere in the day by day operations. Hire top quality executives.

It may be possible to criticize Katz on the last one but he should get top marks for the first two.

Unfortunately, the first 2 are great but don't necessarily guarantee any type of on ice success, as we've seen during his ownership time. The last one is the key and makes the first two relevant, and he's failed badly in those up until hiring Holland and then subsequently Woodcroft.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

It’s Wyshynski and Shilton writing this click bait bullshit and both are Oiler / Canadian team haters on top of ESPN sucking off any US team with a snowballs chance in hell of even making the playoffs.

I know. I know.

Just thought it was an interesting piece that might generate some discussion. Would have liked to see a cross section of contributors like ex or current hockey management types sprinkled into the writers who as you've noted have shown healthy bias. Why not engage ESPN hockey commentator ex-players?

The weighting system and even strategic areas might also have been set independently based upon outside hockey experience recommendation. The scope might have been limited to hockey operations vs. including ownership. That the time horizon on this exercise is the next three years, I would weighted roster quality higher, 45-50%, prospects 20%, cap/contracts 15%, and GM/coach 15% taking out owners. EDIT: Maybe have an age curve as part of the roster consideration to help project team trending.

And to emphasize again, posting is in part because they concluded the Flamers were #32 in a 32 team league. Eat Shit Flamers!

 

[TheNumber4]

Ownership: Katz gives the players anything they need and they spend to the cap each and every year
GM: Holland isn't perfect but built a team that's a true contender in the NHL with a much deeper roster
Coach: his record speaks for itself, he has like .630 winning % (despite choking in the Vegas series)

they should be Top 5 IMO

I’ve always been a big defender of Katz. I thought he provided the Oilers everything they could ask for in terms of facilities and spending to the cap. But seeing how sparse our scouting staff is compared to other teams puts a hamper on this idea. We shouldn’t have less staff than the friggin Yotes. Our brain trust is falling behind the League, our draft choices starting to reflect that.

Holland’s Pro Scout and Head Amateur Scout were just fired essentially. Both Archie and Wright failed in their roles. I liked a lot of Hollands moves but these are pretty significant fails. He’s all a pretty crappy negotiator it seems.

Woody deserves more credit for sure.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I’ve always been a big defender of Katz. I thought he provided the Oilers everything they could ask for in terms of facilities and spending to the cap. But seeing how sparse our scouting staff is compared to other teams puts a hamper on this idea. We shouldn’t have less staff than the friggin Yotes. Our brain trust is falling behind the League, our draft choices starting to reflect that.

Holland’s Pro Scout and Head Amateur Scout were just fired essentially. Both Archie and Wright failed in their roles. I liked a lot of Hollands moves but these are pretty significant fails. He’s all a pretty crappy negotiator it seems.

Woody deserves more credit for sure.

bigger staff doesn't mean better

Yotes have a bigger staff than the Hurricanes and I know which franchise is better run

I agree the scouting isn't great (I'd say average) but Holland has done good with what he's had to work with on the NHL front

 

[TheNumber4]

bigger staff doesn't mean better

Yotes have a bigger staff than the Hurricanes and I know which franchise is better run

I agree the scouting isn't great (I'd say average) but Holland has done good with what he's had to work with on the NHL front

No it doesn’t always mean better. But the results will speak to which staff is better. And our results aren’t looking great right now. So criticizing the lack of resources we have in that department is warranted when the results aren’t there.

We’ll see how the Yotes drafting goes moving forward; their GM only took the role in 2023.

Hollands been adequate. Trending towards bad.

 

[K1984]

I’ve always been a big defender of Katz. I thought he provided the Oilers everything they could ask for in terms of facilities and spending to the cap. But seeing how sparse our scouting staff is compared to other teams puts a hamper on this idea. We shouldn’t have less staff than the friggin Yotes. Our brain trust is falling behind the League, our draft choices starting to reflect that.

Holland’s Pro Scout and Head Amateur Scout were just fired essentially. Both Archie and Wright failed in their roles. I liked a lot of Hollands moves but these are pretty significant fails. He’s all a pretty crappy negotiator it seems.

Woody deserves more credit for sure.

Based on what I heard from Jeff Jackson in 32 Thoughts it doesn't sound like valid concern over lack of investment in quality scouting and other "value add" departments to Hockey Operations will be a problem anymore.

Sounds like he is there to modernize hockey operations and has a large budget to make it happen.

 

[TheNumber4]

Based on what I heard from Jeff Jackson in 32 Thoughts it doesn't sound like valid concern over lack of investment in quality scouting and other "value add" departments to Hockey Operations will be a problem anymore.

Sounds like he is there to modernize hockey operations and has a large budget to make it happen.

Yeh I’m excited at the prospects of what Jackson can bring. Unlike Holland, he’s progressive and not set in his ways. He’s already identified that Wright sucked, that’s a pretty significant and a ballsy move. The Parkatti hire, a smart one as well. If he ever gets a chance to start negotiating contracts as a GM, that’ll help to cause Holland blows in that department.

 

[K1984]

Yeh I’m excited at the prospects of what Jackson can bring. Unlike Holland, he’s progressive and not set in his ways. He’s already identified that Wright sucked, that’s a pretty significant and a ballsy move. The Parkatti hire, a smart one as well. If he ever gets a chance to start negotiating contracts as a GM, that’ll help to cause Holland blows in that department.

He blamed COVID for lacking in the areas he is here to build, but in reality I just don't think we had anyone at a high enough authority level in the organization that is familiar enough with modern sports management methodology to effectively implement anything.